A vote for neoliberals is a vote to not have fascism for four more years.

That's an extremely hard case to make at this point though when the "not" fascist guy is funding a genocide and refusing to entertain the measures we'd need to take to actually take the fight to the fascists (ex. Championing an effort to pack the supreme court). Neoliberals are not truly acting like democracy is on the line, they say it a lot but it's not what their actions communicate, which makes it difficult to believe they'd ever stop obstructing progress.

Neoliberals don't stop or stall fascists by getting into power -- they just soft sell it and give the general public time to acclimate to the slipping of the Overton window. They do this in service of corporate interests rather than theocracy the way the far-right does but it ends us up in the same place.

If the plan is to try and encourage the Democrats to have primaries that actually have the power to move the party left, now is not the time to withhold a vote in protest as there’s a good chance that even if it did convince them, there’d never be another election that wasn’t rigged so they’d lose it no matter how popular they were.

Now is the time that the Democratic establishment chooses to try to strong arm the left into voting for them, they do this every election; claim the sky is falling and that we must vote for them or else. So I guess my view is, if they have assessed that they can risk playing a game of chicken, so can voters.

I understand Project 2025 and its seriousness, but that problem is going to be there every election from here until such a time that the GOP dissolves. I'm skeptical that 4 years will allow them to achieve everything they want to without sweeping the house and senate too. The president cannot legally be crowned king, and if they try to do that perhaps that is what it will take to actually radicalize the self-sedated upper middle-class liberals and political fence-sitters.

I'm sick of defensive leadership, and any offensive needs to start with attacking the Democratic structure that's making the party so ineffectual and complicit. More time is not enough in my opinion, people were talking about GOP plans to capture the supreme court as far back as Bush Jr. and giving Democrats wins achieved nothing. They need to be forced to take it seriously and I just don't see that happening without some pain (for them and, unfortunately, us).

No candidate can win, unless you vote for them. That's the entire point of voting.

A vote for a candidate who cannot win is wasted.

Then it sounds like moderates need to be convinced a vote for a pro-corporate, genocide supporting, establishment geriatric is a waste of a vote.

I live in a blue state, so using that logic, I shouldn't vote at all. Voting for Trump or Biden is a waste of time, because the state will go blue regardless.

His base doesn’t think for themselves, and would vote for him if he killed their family in front of them.

If Biden killed your family in front of you, would you still vote for him?

I wish to God we had Bernie instead of Biden, but Bernie wouldn’t have won.

What convinced you of this?

Yes, Hillary and the DNC allowed Trump to win by ignoring their base and chasing imaginary "swing" voters. And now they're doing it again.

So this happened under Obama. People voted blue no matter who, gave Dems a super majority and they used it to pass a GOP-crafted bill that forced people to pay for useless private insurance.

The party itself needs to change and the types of candidates that the establishment supports needs to change. That doesn't happen when they can do their pied piper thing and keep winning. And no "just one last hit" won't let them overcome the addiction to corporate conservativism.

In a two party system the only way to "crush" the extreme right is by establishing another party to take the spot in the two party system. And you know what will happen then? The Dems will move from being the far right party with gay rights to being the extreme right party. Because they already are far right by any sensible measure.

They need to be crushed.

Then the way to do that is find a candidate in the primaries who appeals to everyone you need to make that happen. It was never a secret Biden was not that person.

It's a free country though. Feel free to go with whatever pitiful strategy you want. But you won't get the pro-corporate genocide supporting brain dead geriatric with my help. Let me know when you're ready to negotiate.

I’ll let Lawrence O’Donnell, MSNBC host and Democratic insider explain.