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I trust Trump about as far as I can throw him, and at the end of the day it's really the Pentagon calling the shots here not the POTUS.

But dudes clearly speaking to a public sentiment here.

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[–] Diuretic_Materialism@hexbear.net 14 points 4 months ago (3 children)

At the very least, you can still argue that Trump was duped by his advisors into thinking that assassinating a “rogue general” can solve the Iran problem.

Thing is, if that's the case he can probably be duped again.

After Soleimani was killed and a war was nearly started with Iran in January 2020, there was still an “oh shit” moment from the Trump government and they quickly walked back and prevented a war from being escalated.

Is that because he's genuinely anti-war or cuz some Brass at the Pentagon thought it wasn't an opportune time to start shit with Iran and told him to cool it?

Really at the end of the day I don't think it matters, the PSL could win this Presidential race and it wouldn't change a thing foreign policy wise (and probably not much domestically either), those aren't decisions any elected leader has any meaningful sway over.

[–] MarxMadness@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

the PSL could win this Presidential race and it wouldn’t change a thing foreign policy wise

I do think a dedicated, sophisticated anti-imperialist could change things from the office of the president. The problem is the best we'll ever get from Democrats is "I oppose this war and this war only, and we totally could have won and had the best intentions but my opponent, our local puppet, or both tragically mismanaged it."

[–] Diuretic_Materialism@hexbear.net 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I do think a dedicated, sophisticated anti-imperialist could change things from the office of the president.

If they even tried they'd get JFKed in like a week

[–] MarxMadness@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Avoiding that would be a huge part of the challenge. The possibility also highlights the need to have deeper political support. At least the VP needs to be on the same page; one unicorn candidate probably wouldn't get it done.

[–] Diuretic_Materialism@hexbear.net 14 points 4 months ago

There'd really be not point unless the PSL was strong enough to form its own institutions and armed groups to combat any coup attempts.

If the PSL candidate won by some miraculous fluke, like a bunch of people protest voting or something, they probably wouldn't even need to wait to get JFKed, the Supreme Court could probably just pull some bullshit out their ass to nullify their victory.

[–] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Is that because he's genuinely anti-war or cuz some Brass at the Pentagon thought it wasn't an opportune time to start shit with Iran and told him to cool it?

16 or so ballisic missiles pounded the Al Assad Airforcebase and did "Only Braindamage + some later death" to some 100 soldiers.. while the USA had Nothing to respond ,even just verbally to respond with some stupid" Though talk" at this moment would have forced Iran to preempty flatten all the Other bases they have there (they nervously shoot down a hole airliner, so they where extremly on edge) ... So Imagine there was a collective experiance of "Oh Fuck oh Fuck+ we are Powerless" in the Command center or whatever.. Thats some experiance that produces wisedom ...

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