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Biden at peace if he loses to Trump: "As long as I gave it my all" (www.axios.com)

submitted 4 months ago by UngodlyAudrey@beehaw.org to c/politics@beehaw.org

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Seriously, Joe, do you not know the stakes? "Sure, America fell to fascism, but I tried my best." For fucks sake, Trump has straight up said he was going to be a dictator, and the Supreme Court will back him all the way. It's unbelievable that all that stands between us and the fall of the republic is a man in his 80s who isn't fully cognizant of the situation.

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[–] t3rmit3@beehaw.org 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

but which democrat candidate has a better chance?

Based on recent polling, potentially most of them could surpass him with even a little bit of national exposure. No clue if it's too late, or not, but better to try than just concede the election to Trump.

I think if there was a big frontrunner they would do this.

The DNC was pressuring other potential Democrat candidates not to run during the Primary (including the most prominent names now like Newsom, Whitmer, and Buttigieg) from the get-go, so I guarantee they're not about to do a 180. The DNC would rather lose to Trump than run a candidate they did not ordain. Remember in 2008 when they did literally everything they could to stop Obama winning against Clinton until they had no other choice? Or 2016, which was a whole mess of undemocratic bullshit (that article is wild, and it was written by Donna Brazile, the Chairperson of the DNC during the 2016 election).

But also even if they don’t replace Biden that doesn’t somehow make Trump a better choice... Spending so much time labouring this point

No one is talking about voting for Trump, what we're saying is that we don't think Biden is going to win against Trump. That's the reason this is worth spending so much time belaboring; to me, Biden is delivering us into Trump's hands.

If you believe Biden might win, then it's 'Chance of Winning with Biden' versus 'Chance of Winning with [Replacement]', and who really knows what their chances might be?

If you don't believe Biden might win, it's 'Assured Loss with Biden' versus 'Chance of Winning with [Replacement]', so obviously that would be the route to go.

[–] storksforlegs@beehaw.org 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

(Accidentally deletedy previous post, sorry) but you make very good points. I wasn't saying I thought he was the best candidate, it was more that's what I thought their reasoning was for still running.

I overall also think someone else should run, that wasn't my point. More that we should be focusing on how awful a candidate Trump is (and all his crimes, victims, his horrible plans for office) - and while these are all excellent points, that the Democrat candidate is almost insignificant in comparison. The Democrats establishment should be on the attack, on the defense. (Being super general). Make that the motivation to vote Democrat.