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I mean I do care about it in the sense that I care about not wanting the US to become even more of a white supremacist Christian fascist imperialist genocidal autocracy than it already is. But I don't see anything I can do about it that would be even remotely effective. And more than that I just don't see anyone else who actually cares about it enough to even try to do something about it so what good is me "caring" even supposed to do?

Now I do see a lot of white liberals (and "progressives", and even some white people who consider themselves leftists) panicking about it. But then when pressed about what is to be done to stop it, their solution is always, always, ALWAYS just "vote for (Genocide) Joe", which tells me they don't actually care about Project 2025, they just want to use it as a cudgel to get me to vote for the same ghouls who are blowing up Palestinians and who have let the spooky scary Republican Party get this powerful. But when I point out to them that they obviously don't really care because they aren't interested in addressing the roots of fascism or doing anything real to stop fascism, they get all indignant and upset at me, call my takes "disturbing", "monstrous", "privileged", "psychotic", and after getting that a bunch I do have to wonder if maybe I just have some massive blind spot and am getting this wrong. But they won't tell me what is actually factually wrong about what I say.

Besides, what do they want me to do about it? They can't seriously expect me to back a party that loves genocide, but they won't suggest anything else.

Idk I just feel like the majority of people I see raising a fuss about Project 2025 and the threat of a "Trump dictatorship" are comfortable, privileged white liberals, usually white queer liberals, who have never had to worry about the government targeting their demographics until the last few years. I and every other queer poc I know is like, "oh, they're going to go after me for another thing? Sure whatever, put it on the pile of other shit they throw at us, what's one more? Now let's get back to trying to stop the fascist Democratic Party from stealing money from our paychecks to bankroll a genocide against some of the actual most vulnerable and oppressed people in the world. If Project 2025 actually lands here we'll fight that too, but we will NEVER throw away our solidarity with the wretched of the earth to preserve what comfort we do have."

Please Hexbearians, tell it to me straight: Is Project 2025 something we actually need to pay attention to and if so what can we actually do about it? Or is the furor over it just a bunch of fragile white people panicking because they might finally be lumped in with the rest of us and finally get targeted for oppression too?

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[–] Frank@hexbear.net 63 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Nah, you've pretty much got it. Dems are losing their shit but due to their ideological indoctrination they cannot see their own teams actions as crimes against humanity nor can they imagine any effective political action to resist or oppose the gop. The only political action that exists in their world is i-voted vote i-voted. When Dobbs was on the line not one of the tens of millions of them even tried to kill the scotus. Tens of millions of dems, none of them raised a single finger to protect their most beloved issue.

2025 is the same thing. They're losing their shit, but the only solution they can conceive of is re-electing Brandon's corpse then scolding the left when he continues to make everything worse for another four years. They cannot recognize that they lost this fight a decade or more ago when Obama refused to seat a scotus justice, rbg refused to resign, and the Dems allowed McConnell to seize total control of the federal judiciary.

They're adherents of the American Civic Religion and all of their views and beliefs come through that lens. Their blind faith prevents them from recognizing the material and political realities of the situation. Which is to say, they're worse than useless and are a defacto enemy as they crush any seed of effective resistance while diverting all resources to the collaborationist DNC.

Not much we can do now but try to survive and protect what and who we can. If you can get out of the us get out now. Get a passport, get residency, get a work visa, get a tourist visa, or just stow away somewhere and gtfo. Things are just going to keep getting worse here. If you can't get out do what you can to strengthen your community.

[–] CommunistCuddlefish@hexbear.net 39 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They're adherents of the American Civic Religion and all of their views and beliefs come through that lens. Their blind faith prevents them from recognizing the material and political realities of the situation. Which is to say, they're worse than useless and are a defacto enemy as they crush any seed of effective resistance while diverting all resources to the collaborationist DNC.

Not much we can do now but try to survive and protect what and who we can.

Well said, thank you comrade.

What was that liberal tweet about how people would riot if Roe was overturned? It got so many retweets and shares. Riots should have happened, but when it came time to do it none of the liberals rioted.

I remember the milquetoast "progressive" Nathan J Robinson arguing that if Biden won he should stack the Supreme Court to fix it, since everyone could see the Republicans had cheated to capture the SC anyway. Even that was too extremist. The Democratic Party straight up does not want to win. What's the point of voting them into power when they just turn around and hand all that power to the Republicans anyway for the sake of "bipartisanship" and "being the bigger people"?

I'm not leaving the USA though, shithole though it is it's my home and my family have all moved here. I don't want to go somewhere else. Fascism is on the rise all across the West and I don't do well with extreme heat so the Global South is out.

[–] emizeko@hexbear.net 17 points 4 months ago

What was that liberal tweet about how people would riot if Roe was overturned? It got so many retweets and shares. Riots should have happened, but when it came time to do it none of the liberals rioted.

someone please find this

[–] Greenleaf@hexbear.net 28 points 4 months ago (2 children)

When Dobbs was on the line not one of the tens of millions of them even tried to kill the scotus.

I also like to point out how afraid libs were when Trump was threatening to nuke the DPRK and possibly start WW3. Not a single lib thought to say “maybe we should strip the power away from a president to be able to do this sort of thing”. But libs would rather die in a nuclear winter than consider fundamentally altering power relationships in government.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 15 points 4 months ago

Now they're all FUCK IT WE BALL for starting WWIII with China.

[–] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 9 points 4 months ago

they were protesting outside their actual houses until it was decided that enough was enough and they needed to bust some heads.

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 20 points 4 months ago (1 children)

When Dobbs was on the line not one of the tens of millions of them even tried to kill the scotus. Tens of millions of dems, none of them raised a single finger to protect their most beloved issue.

Biden could literally have them all assassinated now and solve that 100% legally. They do not want to help anyone

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 15 points 4 months ago

Legally too, as per their own recent legal ruling.