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As soon as I saw the picture, I felt like we were doomed. I'm still not voting for Trump, but that assassination attempt and the picture are, unfortunately, sometimes all that's needed to sway an American voter.
Like, he's a rapist, convicted felon, bad bsuines man, mentally unwell, fascist, and a general boob, but they'll look at that picture of him, fist up, blood on his ear, people trying to get him to get down, and then look at old man Joe and make their decision from there. If Biden truly cared about this country, he would step down. He's been vice president and now actual president, but his performance this round has been terrible and he needs to face the reality of that instead of pushing forward for the sake of his ego.
Edit: Just adding this since people think I'm saying all of Biden's presidency was poor. I talking about his debate/campaign performance.
Joe Biden = maybe less energy to do MORE GOOD things (but actually a presidency isn't a single person, it's an administration full of good people that do important work, regardless of how Joe feels on a given day...
don trump = maybe more (adderall and coke-fueled SNIFF) energy, but only used to do MORE BAD things.
So much of this country is so surface and easily frightened.
The choice is between a narcissistic buffoon who will do whatever his handlers want him to so long as he gets to look important and powerful playing along or someone who belongs in a nursing home rather than the White House that people raged about being called a "well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory" months ago because they thought it was an unreasonable because his admin was doing such a good job at damage control.
It's really not, you seem to have completely missed the point of the Biden statement above. A presidency is not one man.
This isnt a Mr. Universe contest. Theres more important things than physical fitness and debate skills.
Sure, sure. That doesn't change that we've got a choice between an easily manipulable narcissist owned by proto-fascists and Russia and a case of elder abuse who at this point is lucky if he can string three coherent sentences without a teleprompter, or sometimes even with one.
Obviously we should all vote for the case of elder abuse, but the fact that this is the choice that we have is the core problem.
And yes, I needed to make reference to people being outraged at Biden being described as a "well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory" because holy shit were people angry at that characterization and holy shit would most of them be happy if that was the worst we could say about his mental acuity now.
Its all a crap shoot to me. None of us has the predictive powers we profess. Biden is just as likely to win/lose as Kamala is, as is Bernie, and so on.
Theres different reasons for each person, but noone knows really what's best. I'm still of the opinion that Trump has gone way too far and there will be so many people coming out to vote against him, that he's essentially running against himself.
But thats just my theory, based on pretty much a feeling.
Thanks to ballot access deadlines in several key states, this just isn't the case. It's Biden or Trump unless one of them dies in the meantime. If you tried to field Kamala as a replacement against a living Biden, you'd end up with a number of electors under faithless elector laws required to vote for Biden despite him having stepped down to make way for Kamala, possibly enough to trigger a one vote per state decision.
You aren't wrong about him essentially running against himself. It's entirely about whether or not people who would vote against Trump actually go out and vote for Biden (or his replacement should he die) in sufficient numbers.
But it's nearly always the GOP running against themselves, turnout is basically what decides US presidential elections. It's just writ lager with Trump.
Everyone I know is already voting against trump, I can't do much else than hope my faith in there being enough decent people is not misfounded.
I'm sure theres still a few more people trump could offend before the election is here though. I though his behavior during and after the assassination attempt to be awful, maybe someone else does too and they feel that much firmer in voting against him.
The country is so big though, I know my own anecdotes only go so far.
I haven't heard about this inability to get the electors to vote for a different candidate even if hr steps down though, do you have more information on that?
I'm not a Biden stan, but it's just ignorant to say he did nothing
At this point I need to hear directly from someone who was undecided before the assassination attempt, but now is voting trump.
Not a single person has said that, just that they are sure its happening.
Y'all need to figure out the difference between a guess and a fact for real. All emotion and no logic.
Nobody is undecided this election, what is going to determine the way the vote goes is which candidate can energize their own voters more. After the assassination attempt, Trump has seen a surge in popularity among his voters, even if nobody is swapping from Biden to Trump.
America is not a mandatory voting State. Therefore, vibes are incredibly important. The narrative around Biden is that even if he's supporting genocide and seeing (percieved, at least) mental decline, he's not Trump. Meanwhile, Trump voters see their messiah figure surviving an assassination attempt and rising in percieved strength.
You fundamentally misunderstand what people are saying about the situation here.
Exactly, in America the candidates are really campaigning against the couch.
100%, and any attention otherwise is a red herring.
You know what, the day before we heard about a surge in the polls, yesterday I read there was no surge, I'm beginning to think the polls are bullshit.
The day before we heard about a surge in energy among Republican voters, yesterday we heard there was no change between Biden/Trump polling.
These are entirely consistent.
it's sad how ignorant you are of all the positive changes Biden has implemented in the USA in the last several years :-(
I'm not? I'm talking about his campaign performance, not him as a president.
Why are you assuming them to simply be ignorant, rather than disagreeing with you politically?