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Nearly two-thirds of Democrats say President Joe Biden should withdraw from the presidential race and let his party nominate a different candidate, according to a new poll, sharply undercutting his post-debate claim that “average Democrats” are still with him even if some “big names” are turning on him.

The new survey by the AP-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research, conducted as Biden works to salvage his candidacy two weeks after his debate flop, also found that only about 3 in 10 Democrats are extremely or very confident that he has the mental capability to serve effectively as president, down slightly from 40% in an AP-NORC poll in February.

The findings underscore the challenges the 81-year-old president faces as he tries to silence calls from within his own party to leave the race and tries to convince Democrats that he’s the best candidate to defeat Donald Trump. The poll was conducted mostly before Saturday’s assassination attempt on Trump at a campaign rally in Pennsylvania. It’s unclear whether the shooting influenced people’s views of Biden, but the small number of poll interviews completed after the shooting provided no early indication that his prospects improved.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Beating trump is more important than Joe Biden being president.

Especially when most of his time in office he wouldn't stop talking about how powerless he is as president and how if anyone thought he could accomplish anything it just meant they're ignorant.

So like, what's the benefit of insisting it's Biden when he's not who voters want?

It just seems like a terrible risk for zero gain.

If what matters is the House and Senate, then we need a charismatic presidential candidate who helps Dems down ballot.

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Biden has been the best president since Carter, and maybe before that.

[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

Doesn’t matter. Only thing that matters is to win enough mindfucked undecideds in a few states. You must accept the reality that in our perverted system, substance is but one factor, and often ancillary to showmanship. Politics is not an intellectual endeavor. It’s mainly bullshit. That’s why trump is winning.

[–] takeda@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Actually, he accomplished quite a lot without having control of Congress and 6-3 activist SCOTUS.

And no, Manchin and Sinema didn't give Democrats control of the Senate in 2021-2022 and changed parties since then.

Trump's only success with full control of Congress was to pass the horrible tax bill.

Biden's also extremely successful on the foreign policy. Not only he reunited NATO (Putin attacked Ukraine, because he was convinced there's no way he can do it), but also got two additional members to join, who historically were neutral.

Biden's major weakness is that he doesn't broadcast his successes well and media doesn't do that either for him. The only time he successfully did mention his accomplishments was during state of the union.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And no, Manchin and Sinema didn’t give Democrats control of the Senate in 2021-2022 and changed parties since then.

You forget that in the 2020 election no one thought we'd get the Senate and all of his campaign promises were made under the assumption that it would be a Republican majority Senate he'd have to get stuff thru.

That's what Biden signed up for.

Having less Republicans in the Senate wouldn't make that harder.

So unless your argument is Biden lied from day one, I don't see how what you're saying makes anything better.

Or why there's any benefit to Biden over anyone else.

What point are you trying to make for why keeping Biden is a good idea?

[–] takeda@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And he still did quite well. I was preemptively responding to people who say Biden had a majority in Congress, that's why I started with "And no,"

So unless your argument is Biden lied from day one, I don't see how what you're saying makes anything better.

And I'm saying he accomplished a lot despite that. Not everyone is as successful, Obama screwed up a single payer even though he had super majority.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

And I’m saying he accomplished a lot despite that

And yet, you don't seem capable of naming three things that Biden accomplished that any Dem Pres wouldn't have known.

Weird...