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Crazy how the choice is between "everything the same with mild change (maybe)" and "everything horrible with the world".
The choice is between having an opportunity to make a difference and being actively prevented from doing so.
Elaborate
A Trump administration will jail opponents, accelerate oil and gas drilling, and help to destroy the world that much faster.
We don't have any chance to improve things if they win one more time.
Want a better world? It might be possible to still build one. You can't look at Joe Biden and say "Eh, not good enough."
If his plans aren't enough for your tastes, organize and do better. Inspire others around you.
It's not gonna be easy, and it might not even be possible. But each person who just gives up makes it that much harder for everyone else.
Me, I'm 50. I don't have a ton of hope. But I'd like to still have a chance to leave a world to another generation that isn't completely overrun by fascism.
Brazil pushed back. So did France and the UK. We CANNOT just give up.
Ah alright, for some reason when I read the comment I wasn't sure who you meant represented which. I'm not American but I'm definitely with you.
Brazil and France pushed back like we pushed back in 2020.
Republicans learned what stopped them and installed people/will install people who will make sure we cannot rebuke them again. The DNC only learns the lessons they want to learn like "incumbent presidents should be run again" and ignore lessons like "the polls are fucking horrible and we literally need a massive lead in polls just for us to squeak by in the general election." Because every fucking election is like that... Nice leads in the polls and the outcome turns out horrible...
We aren't giving up. It was the DNC that gave up. Start putting the blame squarely where it belongs.
Okay. I blame you.
Blaming those with the least power for not bending the knee to the "leader" the powerfull have imposed on them instead of blaming those with the most power for not putting forward somebody worthy of the loyalty of the rest is a pretty interesting take for somebody posting in a supposedly Progressive forum.
It's been four years and nobody stepped up.
Nobody said they wanted to be the successor. They didn't build a campaign and start doing press tours.
We have No Labels and Brain Worms. That's it. The progressives did not try to field a candidate, and now you're saying there's a boot on your neck.
Either fight or keep complaining. Bitching online is not progressive.
I'm trying to wake some of you up to the reality that we need to be united and getting a shitload of 'Meh, whatever.'
Extremely hard to believe thats your progressive take.
Whatever helps you sleep at night sweetheart 😘
Edit: There’s some legalese that the DNC is shook about, so fair enough to be worried about Republicans and election shenanigans.
~~This would be a valid point, if the DNC wasn’t trying to force a primary confirmation vote early, in order to ‘lock in’ Biden. Despite Biden welcoming challengers to make a play to delegates at the convention.~~
~~I.e. “actively prevented from doing so”~~
Wait, I thought the DNC wanted him to give up
Might be irrelevant given the latest on Biden dropping maybe, but this is still the official line:_
They’ve now explained the nuance and reasoning, which does change things a fair bit
The latter is already the case, though?
There’s an election in November, so, no.
If Trump gets what Project 2025 wants him to have, SCOTUS will repeal term limits, and he’ll challenge the results of the next election using his party-loyal Article F State Department.
He’ll be “President” the same way Putin is “President.”
"but at least we didn't have to hear biden stutter anymore, so it's worth it" - crowd that wants their grandchildren growing up under project 2025.
What do you mean "there's an election in November?"
The results of that contest have been written on the wall at least as far back as 2015 when the DNC put us on this course.
The incumbent won't step down, so the choice is between Trump or the guy that is expected to lose, which isn't a choice at all.
Yea, we should definitely give up. Might as well buy a gun and pack it in right buddy?
I support a wide range of resistance tactics and I'm not about to tell people to give up, but I will say don't organize online. Do it in person and leave your phone in another room..
I love getting downvoted for telling people to organize and not to let the FBI listen in. /s
This country is so doomed.
Literally everything the Left predicted in 2016 is happening right now and you are making fun of it as if it's not that big of a deal.
Cope.
Making fun of it? Wtf are you talking about?
The sarcastic tone?
I was responding to the defeatist tone of your comment. You're basically telling people not to vote, in my eyes, which is bullshit. Voting is the first line and if we can't even do that then we're fucked.
I'm not a defeatist, I'm a realist.
The time for electoralism has passed. Vote if you want, but stop relying on political parties to solve your problems for you. Start organizing locally and taking action to make the world suck less.
https://www.haymarketbooks.org/books/1922-let-this-radicalize-you
Trump was "expected to lose" the 2016 election. Far more than Biden currently is
The 2016 election fell within the margin of error of the polls. Don't act like Hillary was a shoe-in, nobody who was paying attention was surprised after the shit she and the DNC got up to in the primary.
You do not get to insist that everything be the way you want it to be.
Grow up and use the power you actually have rather than spamming your discontent everywhere.
Work for what you want to happen. Or just roll over and invite the fascists in. Those are your two choices, and you're saying the first one isn't a choice.
That says A WHOLE LOT about you.
It's a free country. I can insist on whatever I want, just like you are free to ignore me.
I'm almost 40 and I've been banging on this drum since Bush v. Gore. If you don't like having a political conversation with someone who demands better from the Democrats and our government then you're going to want to stop engaging with politics entirely.
I'm trying, but people like you keep telling me to resign myself to Biden's inevitable loss because we can't do any better.
Of course there isn't a choice, we either vote for Biden or we get Trump. That's not a choice, that's a hostage situation.
Precisely.
You're cooking brother. Keep it up 🤙
Cooking meth
I don't have to cook, I've been perscribed Legal Meth for Fidgety Kids™ since 1st grade.
At least with everything the same we maintain the chance to turn it into "make everything better", as easy as it is to get disillusioned with the system at present, nobody can deny that it's a lot easier to achieve anything within than a defacto fascist autocracy
The amount of change we’ll see will be directly related to congressional control. SCOTUS Justices aren’t going to impeach themselves. AOC can write anything she wants, but it won’t pass a vote with congressional minority.