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this post was submitted on 20 Jul 2024
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those are the people that control the food supply we need them on our side
Nah, most of it is owned by Bill Gates and a handful of conglomerates.
The people actually living there don't typically control or own much more than the serfs of Imperial Russia. Maybe that's why they love the shirtless guy who wants to be Tsar so much? π€·
Without them it doesn't get harvested.
https://fortune.com/2017/08/08/immigration-worker-shortage-rotting-crops/
This is who is doing the harvesting.
Then what do you think those people do? They're not all out there being homeless, you can't be homeless in the country like you can in the city. They're mostly ag workers OR in industries that support ag like equipment repair and large animal vets. The high school I went to literally had classes on animal husbandry because a bunch of us were expected to wind up doing that. Stop disrespecting these people then wondering why they take up with someone who can at least fake it. There might be more immigrants but those are still people who do jobs that are important and a big part of the reason that they support dumb shit is because dems don't look out for them either. They enact ecological policies (which are important) but without placing restrictions on corporate farming to prevent them from getting pushed out by not being able to compete. That's how they get talked into shit that "supports small businesses" even if it's bullshit.
That doesn't mean their vote should count more than people in the cities.
The problem is that they get a double bonus on the national stage because of the Senate AND the disproportionate representation in the House due to it being capped at 435 members. This means they have an outsized influence on all three branches. Electoral College for president, Senate AND House because of the House being capped at 435 members, and the nomination process for justices including SCOTUS.
If the House was truly proportional to population it would be better. Making the second place in the presidential election the vice president again would be even better since they can break the ties in the Senate. If the presidential election was changed just straight up popular vote that would make it so the only advantage for a state is the Senate and that would be plenty.
THAT is the part of this that makes some sense. I would argue that instead we need to enfranchise all the inmates and immigrants THEN rebalance, however.
We can do all of that at the same time!
Lol Americans don't do harvesting. I'm from Iowa. They literally ship illegal immigrants in on busses to harvest, I've seen it first hand. Why I'm shocked any farmer would vote Republican, it'll financially destroy most individual farms having to hire legal help
I know this is an issue in a lot of places but they do where I grew up. Farm kid on meth throwing a weighted psych ward chair through a plexiglass window is practically a meme on my unit it happens so often. They have to do the meth to keep up then they wind up psychotic but still with all that muscle mass from the manual labor. It's a gotdamn mess every single time. One of them was in restraints for three months straight.
I have a friend who worked at a farm and she did harvest work at a farm in MA until she moved to a new place and got a job at a flower shop two years ago.
This is one of those things that is probably always going to be anecdotal. Some people will definitely know people who have done the harvesting themselves, and because of the fact that the alternative is illegal, we'll likely never be able to get accurate data on the prevalence of illegal immigrants doing the harvesting.
Oh yes it's absolutely an anecdote. I simply needed to refute a generalization. Every rule has its exceptions.
Most of the work is done by immigrants anyway
The aforementioned profiteers are probably trying to change that, though, Amazon style.
We are all interdependent
correct
The majority of the produce for the United States is grown in the Central Valley in California.
Yeah I don't think how much of the Midwest and South is corn. Corn that we don't even need, that old ag bills that said "the government will buy it even if we don't need it"
Something something farmers