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Because the GOP spent decades microdosing hate for Clinton into the public discourse.
Hillary did enough, herself, for people not to like her. She was never really a palatable choice. Not being Trump wasn’t quite enough to get her elected. And, frankly, she didn’t work that hard to get it either. That bit her in the ass.
That, combined with a huge amount of voter apathy because it was inconceivable that a lying boob like Trump could ever win, and, well…
That bit The USA in the ass.
Hmm that makes sense. And yet something like 3 million more people voted for her than trump, right? Maybe Kamala can pull this off if people tend to like her any amount better than Hillary. Also, I think Kamala will put in the extra effort, whereas, as you said, Hillary didn’t seem to.
I don't think the people that didn't bother voting would have left their home to vote for that choice either, so one of the actual candidates still would have won.
That's exactly it. I remember voicing the same concern in 2008 when she was running against Obama for the Democratic nomination. The Republican media machines have been spreading so much hate for her since the 90s that it has resulted in a general feeling of discomfort about her, even if you're aware of it. That was in 2008 and it only has gotten worse since then.
AOC is going to have the same problem, I hope she has a plan to head it off.
Of course she's much more likable naturally, so maybe it won't work as well.
And AOC actually represents change and progress as opposed to being a bland, corporate liberal
AOC only has her own political career to look after, so she's free to choose to stay true to herself rather than change to try to accommodate those who hate her. Hillary was young in much more sexist times, and set her ambition on helping push Bill's career rather than her own. So she had to adapt her look and persona in order to pass as the dutiful wife he needed in Arkansas. That established a tinge of falsehood she was never really able to shake, even when she embarked on her own career, especially after all of Bill's shenanigans.
Exactly! It’s been endlessly frustrating to see Clinton criticized for being inauthentic in the 2016 campaign, given the criticism she faced earlier in her career for not sufficiently playing the role of “spouse”.
She wound up having to participate in a cookie bake-off with Barbra Bush to smooth over her comment.
Hillary owned third way, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Democrats_(United_States) politics just as much as Bill did. And Biden did for that matter as you'll see if you search that link for his name. They're currently very actively courting Kamala, but I haven't seen her embracing them yet.
That's just thinking in logical fallacy. Just because the Republicans spent a bunch of effort and time focusing on invalid criticisms, doesn't mean there are no valid criticisms.
The DNC being made up of mostly center right pushovers is a byproduct of the Clinton's popularizing Third Way politics in America. It was a way to get around the gridlock that was dominant in the 80s and 90s in Congress.
The basic theory was that you would work across the isle on the projects you could, even if that meant making deep concessions. In theory you would end up getting credit for "getting things done", and eventually become popular enough to leverage your bills through.
In reality, Third Way politics is only effective until the opposition realizes that they now how the initiative over policy. They get to work across the isle on the projects they want, and that's usually economic policy.