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[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 78 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I mean, any other non-c speed really.

[–] Glowstick@lemmy.world 103 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Actually, c is the speed of light in a vacuum, but light travels slower through a medium, like air. So lasers shot through air will actually travel slower than c.

[–] Bassman1805@lemmy.world 58 points 1 month ago (2 children)

(For anyone curious, the speed of light in earth air is like 99.97% as fast as in vacuum)

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Bunch of nerds in this thread.

[–] Vilian@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You're in science_memes what did you expected?

[–] Comment105@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Eheran@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] ODuffer@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

exactly where they should be.

[–] LilDumpy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Ya, but that's JUST slow enough to be able to see it.

[–] DannyBoy@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Maybe it's going to be space lasers.

[–] 5oap10116@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Do you know what the religious affiliation of these space lasers will be?

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You have a lot of chutzpah to ask such a question. Oy! What would your mother say?

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 6 points 1 month ago

“You’re so skinny why are you not eating”

[–] shasta@lemm.ee 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] marcos@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

A laser strong enough to be used as a weapon will probably not leave a lot of medium on its path.

But the front-most part will still travel at less than c. It will just speed-up after a while.

[–] sinkingship@mander.xyz 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm curious. What happens to the medium? Does it simply get pushed aside? Or pushed along? Or will it eat up some energy and react to something else?

[–] Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago

Much like lightning, a powerful enough laser will ionize the air. That ionized air is hot and rises, just like the ionized gasses from combustion.

A powerful laser will look like a beam of fire.

[–] Eril@feddit.org 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I would be especially interested in speeds larger than c 🙂

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)
[–] Xavienth@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Well that's pretty easy, just fire it anywhere except a vacuum.

[–] PythagreousTitties@lemm.ee 11 points 1 month ago

But I never use my vacuum. Might as well fire a laser at it!

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

Yes, ofc - but we're talking about a weapon here, the air is implied as a medium, and the very-near-c with it.

But a weapon that would construct some sort of structure or a tunnel between it's position and the target would be something else indeed.

[–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's still travelling at c, it's just bouncing around the medium's particles on the way. It arrives later because it's not going in a straight line.

[–] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I don't think that's a great way of thinking about it. I think you're describing something more like scattering


or maybe absorption and stimulated or spontaneous emission


which does indeed happen, but is distinct from the index of a medium.

If it were indeed "bouncing," optics wouldn't really work, as any n > 1 medium would cause the light to go every which way.

[–] SirSmokeAlot@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If you fire a laser that goes first through vacuum, then through a lens, then again in vacuum, at what speed is the light travelling on the other side?

[–] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's same as it was at first. The speed of light depends on the index of refraction of the medium it's in, but doesn't depend on its "history."

[–] SirSmokeAlot@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I didn't write it out, but what I was trying to get at was that if it would "slow down", then it would be slower on the other side. The explanation that the light travels longer through a medium with the same speed would therefore make sense to me.

But then again, how it wouldn't shoot out in every direction, that doesn't make sense to me.

I don't know much about light, that's why i'm asking. And i'm sure some article or paper would have anwers for that question, I might search it on my own.

[–] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 2 points 1 month ago

Ah, I think I see what you mean.

I think the right way to think about this is as a wave, and in that respect, it's no different from sound waves. If sound goes through the air, then through another medium, then out the other side back to air, the speed will follow the same general rules as with light. One notable differece is that speed of sound through many materials is faster than through air.

Note also that you'll get acoustic reflections at interfaces, which is analogous to optical (Fresnel) reflections at interfaces (e.g., reflection off of glass or water).