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[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 159 points 2 weeks ago

Well yeah one are peaceful protestors, the other is armed. Cops get scared when someone else can fight back on an even playing field. Even if that somebody is a horrible monster murdering children. They didn't join the force to protect people they joined so people had to do what they say.

[-] cerement@slrpnk.net 84 points 2 weeks ago

“To protect capital and serve the upper class.”

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 45 points 2 weeks ago

It was actually ruled they exist to protect property. So you aren't far off from the truth. We live in backwards land. The changes were so imperceptible, that we didn't even notice them replacing the sky with the ground.

Imperceptible to someone completely ignoring history and the world around them, sure!

The concept of state sponsored police in the US originated in slave hunting gangs. The US never changed since the beginning.

To your point though there is an incredible amount of brainwashing. Your average North Korean is less brainwashed than Americans, at least they know what other countries have.

Americans think they are the last beacon of civilization and the developed world is in ruins when it’s literally the other way around lmao.

[-] Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I want to agree with you but you're wrong about n koreans. They may know their government is shit and are unable to change it but I doubt they truly know all of what other countries have. They don't even have access to the internet unless they're the top 1 percent there. At most they have access to their intranet and state sponsored television content. They even censor jeans in their media.

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[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

You're right about the police. I got a little off topic with the backwards land thing there and generalized everything because it seems every where you look now shit is fucked up.

[-] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Nah, this only a half truth. Europe is a fantastic place, free health care un most of the countries. But go to a poorer country like Mexico, and you'll see people living in poorly constructed sheds.

When you see that kind of stuff, that's when you realize how fucking rich and well off the U.S. actually is. The poorest of the poor in the U.S. (excluding homeless) are generally better off than the poor in other countries. Not discounting the struggles of the poor in the U.S. (I grew up dirt poor).

But the thing is, we had running water, toilets, and a place to wash our clothes. There are places that have none of that, and not even access to clean drinking water.

Does the U.S. police state blow ass, yes. But acting like we're some backward ass country in the shitter is missing some perspective.

[-] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago

and to earn a lot of money + bragging rights

[-] cybersin@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago
[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

No you are absolutely right. Cops should have just stormed the room at that point. But they knew he had a gun and they valued their lives more. A cop's wife died while he fucken waited.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 86 points 2 weeks ago

Because they know college protesters aren't armed.

[-] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 50 points 2 weeks ago

Because they’re cowards. Violent cowards who revel in oppression. The worst kind of coward.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

They're bullies.

Both the cowardice in the face of actual risk to themselves and the senseless use of violence when they feel safe against those who can or won't resist in a way that endagers them, are core bully traits.

[-] Liz@midwest.social 6 points 1 week ago

College protesters really need to learn firearm safety and start open carrying rifles at their protests. But they all gotta do it. Can't be one or two random people.

[-] Stern@lemmy.world 68 points 1 week ago

Never forget that CA governor Ronald Reagan pushed for a law against folks exercising their second amendment rights to bear arms while patrolling and protecting their communities.

Those folks? The Black Panthers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act

Both Republicans and Democrats in California supported increased gun control, as did the National Rifle Association of America.

[-] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 57 points 2 weeks ago

They’re just like the IDF. They can only fight unarmed women and children.

[-] MrVilliam@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

Source, if anybody questions that fact.

[-] SimplyTadpole@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 1 week ago

Cops are gutless cowards who can only punch down on people who can't fight back; as soon as they meet someone who poses even a slight threat they cower away.

[-] madcaesar@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

They are bullies. And bullies love punching down.

Hollywood spread police propaganda for decades about cops and detectives that are heroes, when in reality the majority are out of shape bullies.

[-] anonymous222@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago

I am basically afraid of getting on some kind of dissenter's list by up voting this one.

[-] ThrowawaySobriquet@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago

You're already on a couple lists, probably. Might as well join one of the cool ones

[-] MrVilliam@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

If up voting this gets you on the list, then so does commenting on it.

[-] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago

That's right. Now is that a typo or is Villiam your real name?

[-] MrVilliam@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

I don't answer questions. Am I being detained or am I free to go?

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

The only way to beat this is to (up)vote

[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 21 points 1 week ago

Yeah, they're bullies. They want to beat/kill unarmed minorities and college students for "not respecting their authority" (exercising their constitutional rights), not actually uphold the law. Cowards...

[-] kiljoy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 week ago

College protesters should have guns.

[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I mean sure but then we are absolutely asking for a massacre and internal war.

Guns only work if you are willing to use them. And once we are, we are saying we don't find police presence valid and the state comes crashing down upon you to end your pitiful existence for posing an internal threat.

We are a country with essentially a bad auto-immune disease that attacks whatever it deems as foreign.

[-] madcaesar@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

The red hat morons had guns at all their protests and they were allowed to protest as long as they wanted, since police didn't want to escalate.

Meanwhile peaceful, unarmed protesters get pounded into the ground

🤔

[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 6 points 1 week ago

Most of them weren't willing to use them and were left alone because the cops were in civilian clothes and busy... You know, doing something other than police work in the exact same area for some reason.

And again what's seen as foreign.
Complaining about us stomping others by being a nuisance is against the people that just want us to shut up and get in line.
Complaining that we aren't stomping hard enough and not enough people is just constructive criticism.

The current goal is to keep things exactly as they are or with more oppression as needed keep it static.

The left can bring guns but it won't change anything other than maybe slightly more likely to die by a cop's hand unless they are willing to use them and once that starts it's will be a lot tougher because we are on the side of change, which must be crushed by the current system.

That's how it is.

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[-] NJSpradlin@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Don’t forget the officer that NDd… for some fucking reason… while clearing a college building of protestors. WTF he had his firearm out in a less lethal situation is beyond me.

[-] ours@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

Maybe an acorn fell nearby?

[-] Agrivar@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

What is 'NDd' short for? I'm drawing a blank, and searching for anything on the internet is pointless these days...

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

"Negligent Discharge."

It's used in the firearms community instead of anything with the word "accident" because there's almost never a reason for a gun to fire unintentionally that doesn't involve a serious fuckup by the user.

Any ND that results in death or injury should also be treated as a felony. There are 4 basic rules to firearm safety that should be followed at all times. Any one of them should prevent injury, so you have to fuck up all 4 at once to hurt someone.

  1. Treat every gun as if it were loaded at all times.
  2. Keep your finger away from the trigger until ready to fire.
  3. Do not let the gun point at anything you're not willing to kill or destroy
  4. Know your target and what's beyond your target.

The only true accidents I know of regarding a gun being fired unintentionally involve faulty weapons firing on their own (more likely to win the lottery), but even then they shouldn't hurt anyone because it should be pointed in a safe direction.

[-] Agrivar@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Thank you for your reply!

[-] AFaithfulNihilist@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

I think it's short for negligently discharged but it's kind of stupid to shorten that. I can't imagine what reason there is to not just write " negligently discharged".

Frankly I think calling it a "negligent discharge" is giving the officer too much credit. The gun shouldn't even have been unholstered. Guns are used to shoot not threaten. If he was pulling the gun out then he intended to fire it and if he pulled the gun out without intending to fire it then it wasn't a negligent discharge it was an incompetent booger hooking by a pants shitting coward.

[-] Liz@midwest.social 6 points 1 week ago

Negligent discharge is the term you use whenever someone shoots their gun when they didn't intend to. It's just common lingo to shorten it to ND or ND'd. It's one of those terms that, at face value, doesn't convey the seriousness of what you just did, but people who use the term regularly know just how bad it is.

[-] praetor@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 1 week ago

Not at all wrong. I hate to use this word because it denigrates our wonderful lady friends (both bio and of choice), but cops are pussies. Like the ultimate ones. "look at me! I'm a badass cop gonna violate your rights! Back the Blue!" Let's see what my lawyer has to say about your "badassery". I thought so, bitch. Here's a coupon code for Dunkin. Go away.

[-] TIMMAY@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

You could have just said coward and then you wouldnt need to justify derogatory gender-oriented language

[-] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

I'm almost positive the use of the word to call someone a coward has nothing to do with a vagina.

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[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The solution is clear, protesters and school shooters need to put aside their differences and team up.

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