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[-] gammarays@lemm.ee 98 points 9 months ago

I think most people (including myself) prefer a minimal desktop by default, and then proceed to install only the software they need. Nevertheless, it always surprises me when I log in to a system that doesn't have vim.

[-] SSUPII@sopuli.xyz 67 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

For almost all users, especially beginners, nano is just simpler faster and better. A lot of distributions are bundling it, and I am finding indeed systems without vim at all.

[-] kylian0087@lemmy.world 41 points 9 months ago

Although most of the times while vim is not installed vi is. Even often together with nano.

[-] Ozzy@lemmy.ml 21 points 9 months ago

Man I tried to use vi once because I started with vim and wanted to see what all it was before, and holy shit vim really is IMPROVED

[-] d_k_bo@feddit.de 27 points 9 months ago

Especially for beginners, micro would be even better.

[-] s20@lemmy.ml 23 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I disagree. Don't get me wrong, vim is amazing and all that, but I think nano is easier for new users to grok out of the box, making it a better choice most of the time. What it lacks in features it makes up for in transparency.

100% agree about the minimal set of desktop apps, though. That drives me crazy.

Just my 0.02$.

Edit: silly mistakes and clarification

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[-] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 55 points 9 months ago

less, I don't remember what distro it was, but there wasn't less. There was more though.

[-] atlasraven31@lemm.ee 35 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)
[-] unsaid0415@szmer.info 11 points 9 months ago

There's a LESS_IS_MORE env var for less which makes it behave like more. Or something like that. Check the manpage

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[-] Dotdev@programming.dev 51 points 9 months ago

git not installed in ubuntu based distro was the shock for me.

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[-] SaltyIceteaMaker@lemmy.ml 46 points 9 months ago

Git. I feel like that is a pretty important part of any linux os nowadays

[-] Deconceptualist@lemm.ee 43 points 9 months ago
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[-] ChristianWS@lemmy.eco.br 41 points 9 months ago

KDE Connect on KDE distros, just feels part of the KDE experience

[-] neo@lemmy.comfysnug.space 36 points 9 months ago

git really should be installed by default these days

[-] atlasraven31@lemm.ee 34 points 9 months ago

A Doom-clone. I mean, come on.

Seriously tho, Gparted for how useful it is.

[-] backhdlp@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 9 months ago

git isn't in Arch's base-devel

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[-] solberg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 9 months ago

Nano (or pico). I had to use vi one time 😭

[-] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de 14 points 9 months ago

Which distro doesn't ship nano? I've only ever seen this in embedded or docker contexts.

Condolences for your vile experiences, though.

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[-] Ozzy@lemmy.ml 11 points 9 months ago

🤕 <-- he was forced to use vi

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[-] vsis@feddit.cl 25 points 9 months ago
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[-] Snowplow8861@lemmus.org 25 points 9 months ago
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[-] Swiggles@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 9 months ago

I am surprised that vi is often available, but not vim. It's really annoying on many RHEL based distros, because I am so used to typing vim. Otherwise there is just git I deem essential.

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[-] pixelprimer@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago
[-] d_k_bo@feddit.de 20 points 9 months ago

netstat is mostly deprecated and superseded by the ss command.

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[-] Supermariofan67@programming.dev 22 points 9 months ago
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[-] Ecology8622@lemmy.ml 21 points 9 months ago

IMO nothing. As long as it can detect network I can install whatever tools I need.

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[-] shotgun_crab@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago
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[-] SamsonSeinfelder@feddit.de 17 points 9 months ago

useradd - I just wanted to give a friend my notebook for a python lecture and thought I could just add him as a new user. Apparently not by default.

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[-] Frederic@beehaw.org 16 points 9 months ago

openssh-server, how can you connect to your PC from elsewhere without sshd ?!?

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 16 points 9 months ago
[-] hottari@lemmy.ml 15 points 9 months ago
  • Multimedia/ h264 codecs ??
  • KDE/GSconnect
  • Something like Arch's downgrade package + an archive of package versions
  • Hardware video acceleration support is sorely lacking
  • Picture-in-picture in Gnome's Wayland (bug that a gnome-shell extension fixes!)
[-] bjorney@lemmy.ca 16 points 9 months ago

Multimedia codecs have a different license agreement than the OS so they aren't bundled by default for a reason

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[-] ClemaX@lemm.ee 13 points 9 months ago

ncdu for analyzing disk space usage in TUI.

[-] fxt_ryknow@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

First installs for me are always vim and tmux.

[-] astroturds@startrek.website 11 points 9 months ago

I'm always shocked that other distros haven't made their own version of Yast from opensuse

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[-] nik282000@lemmy.ml 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Debian, sudo, at least when ever I install it without a desktop.

edit: I'm dumb af, it tells you right in the installer, I just never read it

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[-] gamey@feddit.rocks 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

htop, distrobox and in some cases Flatpak!

Edit: after reading the comments I want to add curl and git, seriously, why aren't those a default?!

[-] qyron@sopuli.xyz 10 points 9 months ago

Let's try the other way around: what default apps are pre installed that really don't need or should not be?

I get that most distros try to give a good out of the box desktop for the average user, while also saving time for who is (trying to) providing services or building machines to sell but it can get annoying booting into a fresh install, take a look at the defaults and go "nah, that's going away, and that, that and the other".

I'm not advocating for LFS but sometimes I wish we could get an option to install just what is necessary to make the hardware run and a chosen desktop or window manager and from there install whatever we may need.

[-] OldPain@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago
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