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==COSMOLOGY==> 'Uhhh ... how sure are we that everything is made of these?'

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[-] Galapagon@sh.itjust.works 82 points 1 month ago

Somewhat related, back in highschool I was really enjoying chemistry class. Super fun stuff, definitely a career path. Then when we were doing the math practices, I got a question wrong that I knew I combined correctly.

I asked the teacher and she said "oh yeah that one just doesn't follow the rules" instantly killed my enjoyment of chemistry.

[-] macaroni1556@lemmy.ca 64 points 1 month ago

Aw that's too bad. That response I'm sure you're paraphrasing, but "that one doesn't follow the rules" is the best part of science.

It means our rules aren't good enough, or we don't understand that one well enough. Figuring it out can be an entire career of discovery. And the reasons why can be fascinating and inspiring to more discoveries!

[-] oce@jlai.lu 42 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

In this case, it was probably the teacher not being knowledgeable enough to explain a more advance theory that goes beyond the simple model he was teaching. What's sad is that the teacher didn't take the opportunity to dig deeper with the student, it could have been very motivating for the student to feel like he found something that went beyond the normal curriculum.

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[-] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 month ago

High school chemistry felt less like imperfect modeling and more like alchemy that sometimes yields tangible results. I can't remember specifics anymore but there were many moments where I was like "you're using too many shortcuts and this doesn't make any damn sense mathematically or dimensionally anymore". I know real chemistry is too complex to fit a high school program, but the way it was taught really was like a soft science cosplaying as a hard science.

Also chemists would use any pressure units before they used Pa. mmHg as a unit suffers from congenital defects I can only assume stem from repeated inbreeding.

[-] match@pawb.social 8 points 1 month ago

or it's ochem

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[-] SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It's similar to what I felt learning organic chemistry. That's why I ended pursuing a career in math.

[-] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 10 points 1 month ago

You aren't following the rules! You're supposed to nonchalantly get the correct answer and thus discover a new rule that we nowadays know as the Galapagon Principle.

[-] Liz@midwest.social 7 points 1 month ago

One of my great regrets in high school chemistry was that I was born too late to discover some pattern and have it called Liz 's Formula or whatever.

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 25 points 1 month ago

https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/01/requiem-for-a-string-charting-the-rise-and-fall-of-a-theory-of-everything/

I never seriously studied physics. A few years back I decided that it was time to push myself a little and start reading up. I started with some articles on string theory and suddenly remembered why I didn't want to study physics.

Looks like I saved twice as much time as I thought I had.

[-] marcos@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago

I started with some articles on string theory

Yeah, that's a mistake.

Unless you understand the working theories out there, you gain nothing by going deep into speculative ideas.

[-] oce@jlai.lu 25 points 1 month ago

You could try reading Feynman's lectures, he was a very passionate teacher, and he used intuition a lot, so you don't need to grind on equations to follow. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Feynman_Lectures_on_Physics

[-] dsemy@lemm.ee 21 points 1 month ago

String theory is barely a scientific theory, it's an untestable (experimentally) mathematical framework.

I'm far from an expert on this, but I don't think this is the best introduction to physics.

[-] kandoh@reddthat.com 12 points 1 month ago

If strings are just a theory then how do you explain shoelaces? 😏

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 10 points 1 month ago

There are many kinds of 'string.'

For example, you just made a second string joke.

[-] kandoh@reddthat.com 5 points 1 month ago

What are you gonna do, string me up for it?

[-] bitwaba@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

We really should have more stringent requirements for joke quality here.

[-] MyFairJulia@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

We would do that of you didn‘t keep stringing me along!

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 6 points 1 month ago

According to the article it's no longer a credible theory

[-] mumblerfish@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

It's not untestable. It gives predictions and there has been tests for those predictions. The unfortunate part is that the predictions are often not very concrete, and the range of a lot of these predictions lies far beyond our capabilities. But people are looking to measure them indirectly in various ways. So it's not like it is untestable by design or anything like that.

[-] marcos@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

AFAIK, every single idea from string theory that could be tested was rejected. And the theory was made more complex, less predictive so that it could still work without the testable idea.

[-] mumblerfish@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

These are very broad statements that are not very easy to comment on. "Every single idea", makes it sound like they are a lot, I would not say they are. "Was rejected", depends what you mean... " did not show positiv results", "no longer possible to motivate economically", sure, " refuted as bullshit", not so much. "Was made more complex", sounds like there is intent, and/or, depending on what you mean by complex, that it would be necessarily a bad thing to using more advanced maths to formulate things you could not before, and hence solve new problems.

I can mention two possible avenues of inquiry that are less than 5 years old that has sprung from string theory as possible support for it: signals of black hole structure in gravitational wave 'ring downs' of black hole mergers, and the exclusion of a positive cosmological constant. But if you know that these are untestable or rejected, I'd love to hear about it.

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[-] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

I did a semester of physics in high school and loved it. One of the few classes I actually enjoyed. I joined the nuclear program in the Navy and still loved it. I got to college and brought along all my ACE credits so I got to skip some math, physics, early chemistry, and thermodynamics.

We got to experimental physics and it broke my brain. I barely walked away with my BS and even though I could have made good money I never ended up using the degree because I ended up hating the whole field. It hangs on the wall next to my certificate from a two week bartending school.

I ended up with a long and fruitful IT career where I've never had to apply even a little knowledge I gained from that degree.

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago

Thanks for the story.

Nice to know I'm not the only one.

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[-] ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee 24 points 1 month ago

What is this author for XKCD’s background? He seems to know a lot about a lot of complex subjects. I’m always impressed.

[-] higgsboson@dubvee.org 51 points 1 month ago

Degree in physics. Worked for NASA as a programmer and roboticist. Full time "cartoonist" since 2006.

[-] ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Sounds like he’s related to this guy

https://i.imgur.com/dBmspo8.jpeg

[-] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

At my work, we meet astronauts fairly often (I met Jonny Kim last year), and it's amazing how many of them are like this. They'll usually pass out their headshots that have their bio on the back, and the number of advanced degrees and impressive accomplishments is jaw dropping. Like I feel like I'd think my life was worthwhile if I did one of those things by the end of it, and a lot of the astronauts are hardly more than half my age. And to really rub it in, they all seem incredibly genuine, personable, and well adjusted.

There are a giant number of people who want to be astronauts, and NASA only needs a small number in a given year, so they can pick the very cream of the crop.

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

At least we're sending space our best.

[-] RecluseRamble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 month ago

Could you imagine what the world would be like if we let their like lead our countries?

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[-] Neon@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Just wait until you learn about Johnny Sins

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It's understandable that he didn't have time to learn how to draw, then.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Per the alt text: How do we know that particles are the smallest bits? Let's zoom in even further.

[-] DogWater@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

These are the questions that make me feel such an insane sense of wonder and awe.

How deep does it go?

How high does it go the other way? How big does existence get?

Why is there something rather than nothing?

What is nothing made of?

[-] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 month ago

Nothing is more of a definition than a thing. It's just the absence of matter.

[-] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Even in the absence of matter, there’s still the quantum foam. The most perfect vacuum is teeming with this energy. To truly understand the nature of 'nothing,' one would need to venture beyond spacetime itself—and even then, it’s not guaranteed that 'nothing' would be found. Physics suggests that anything existing outside of or predating spacetime would generally have no impact on us; it doesn't necessarily explain what the 'outside' might be like.

I'd say nothing is less a definition but rather an informal shorthand for how we percieve at macro scale with our wrinkly 4D brains.

[-] reinei@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

And then even when you try to peer behind the definition of "nothing" with math all you are greeted with is infinities which we handily just swept under the rug and pretended to be zero so we could define a "nothing" state in the first place!

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[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 4 points 1 month ago

What is nothing made of?

Oooh! I know this one! It's Quantum Foam! 😁

[-] psoul@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

It’s turtles all the way down

[-] omega_x3@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Cosmology you put enough mass in a small enough area it becomes a singularity.

Quantum mechanics information can't be destroyed to an unrecoverable state so singularities are impossible.

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[-] Sentau@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 month ago

Crazy thing is very similar mathematical structures is used to define the behavior of a single particle in QFT and of a huge collection of particles in condensed matter physics

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[-] Mango@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Quantum field theory really aligns with my fap roulette kink.

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