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[โ€“] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 22 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Meesa like your username

[โ€“] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 16 points 8 months ago

Many Gungans are saying this

[โ€“] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 12 points 8 months ago

Weesa habben en serious problem

[โ€“] Owl@hexbear.net 11 points 8 months ago

This post killed me.

My pronouns are still he/him, but my verb is now "was"

[โ€“] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[โ€“] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Not "bro", actually, even when "bro" is used without an article in sentences like "bro visited his friend" it's really just acting like a proper noun, not a pronoun. It's the same as saying "dad visited his friend", where "dad visited dad's friend" would come across as a bit clunky in the same way as "bro visited bro's friend" would. So, alas, we won't be able to call "bro" a widely-used pronoun until people start saying "broself" en masse.

I'm not sure what you mean by "one" being a neopronoun.

[โ€“] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bro#Pronoun smuglord

Bro is a pronoun because it's used to replace a noun. And it's a neopronoun because pronouns are a closed class in English. We don't call new nouns and adjectives neonouns or neoadjectives. In Japanese, pronouns are an open class and nouns frequently become pronouns. For example, the Japanese noun "self" (่‡ชๅˆ†) has also become a first-person pronoun. Americans are doing something similar, turning nouns like "bro" and "blood" into third-person singular pronouns. HOWEVER you are correct that they lack a reflexive form (-self/-selves), which English personal pronouns usually have.

"One" used to just be a noun, but became a pronoun after the 1200s due to French influence.

Actually, "they" is also a neopronoun. It also comes from the 1200s, and this time from Norse.

[โ€“] Findom_DeLuise@hexbear.net 14 points 8 months ago

Bro is a pronoun

*bronoun

[โ€“] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I think 800 years is too long for something to still count as "neo".

Also, if you want me to believe that "bro" is a defective 3S pronoun, give me a peer-reviewed linguistics article that demonstrates why it counts as that instead of as a proper noun โ€” not a Wiktionary page that cites no sources and whose discussion page has gone untouched in literally eight years, and an assertion that "bro" is a pronoun "because it replaces another noun" (I guess all synonyms are pronouns, then?)

Edit: Like, you can do the same thing as "bro visited his friend" with so many different nouns that if all of them count as pronouns you might as well say that the class has been opened. Remember "Baby Got Back"?

[โ€“] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I think you're overestimating how many nouns you can use as a pronoun without raising some eyebrows.

[โ€“] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[โ€“] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Well you can go on TikTok and say "bro is posting bro's L's" but you can't just go say "human is posting human's L's"

[โ€“] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I literally never claimed that I could do that, but whatever, I don't feel like arguing. This is one of those situations where I feel pretty confident that I'm right but where I don't actually know enough to be able to explain exactly how confidently and without getting misinterpreted. The problem with that type of situation is of course that someone far more confident can just say things that I think are wrong unchallenged, God forbid.

Again, if only there were any scholarly linguistics articles about the usage of "bro" in 2023/2024 that would shine a light on why it is or (as I see it) isn't a pronoun.

[โ€“] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I don't think there's an article on the phenomenon yet unfortunately. So let's just shelve this argument, cause the only way we're going to figure out who's right is by one of us getting a degree in linguistics.

[โ€“] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Wanna bet who gets the degree first?

[โ€“] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 5 points 8 months ago

You, cause I just graduated.

[โ€“] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[โ€“] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 4 points 8 months ago

Big Doodoo? Is that like the companies involved in sewage treatment?

[โ€“] Yor@hexbear.net 3 points 8 months ago

Based if true