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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children)

But which came first:

The chicken or the chicken's egg? Did the first chicken come from a chicken egg? Or did it come from a snake egg?

[–] aeharding@vger.social 7 points 5 months ago

Based on the jpeg, this meme came first

[–] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I recall reading somewhere that it would have been a proto- chicken kind of thing. Like not quite a chicken but it laid an egg and the first chicken came out.

Maybe a gene mutation of some sort.

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Even that's not that clear cut. The mutants and the nonmutant proto chickens interbred regularly and different mutants showed up and also interbred. The real answer is there's no platonic ideal chicken but we really want to categorize this thing.

Edit: I guess the platonic ideal chicken is a man according to diogenes.

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[–] TurboHarbinger@feddit.cl 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)
[–] InternetPerson@lemmings.world 4 points 5 months ago

Or are they local?

[–] XTL@sopuli.xyz 4 points 5 months ago

Yes, unless declared integer.

[–] ParabolicMotion@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

Forget the chicken. What came first, the tardigrade, or the egg? Well, in this case, I think the tardigrade would have to exist first.

[–] BrazenSigilos@ttrpg.network 6 points 5 months ago

The egg came first. To the chickens disappointment and, who left to find a more satisfying partner.

[–] hessenjunge@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I guess the tree branch needs to start somewhere, but why leave out amphibians?

[–] nxdefiant@startrek.website 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Thats on the branch labeled traitors that leads to paying bills.

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[–] itsonlygeorge@reddthat.com 4 points 5 months ago (5 children)

An egg is technically a single cell. So, eggs came first as those were the first forms of life.

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[–] atyaz@hexbear.net 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Maybe they meant chicken eggs but I guess the chicken egg is still first in that case

[–] MaeBorowski@hexbear.net 5 points 5 months ago

Yeah, this is silly (and fun) but avoids the real problem of course. The question can be like you said, "which came first, the chicken or the chicken's egg?" And for those that still want a literal answer, wikipedia says:

If the question refers to chicken eggs specifically, the answer is still the egg, but the explanation is more complicated.[8] The process by which the chicken arose through the interbreeding and domestication of multiple species of wild jungle fowl is poorly understood, and the point at which this evolving organism became a chicken is a somewhat arbitrary distinction. Whatever criteria one chooses, an animal nearly identical to the modern chicken (i.e., a proto-chicken) laid a fertilized egg that had DNA making it a modern chicken due to mutations in the mother's ovum, the father's sperm, or the fertilised zygote.

As an alternative, though it's a bit more of an ungainly mouthful, I like: "which came first, the first species to lay an egg or the egg of the first species to lay an egg?" That one is a bit harder but you might still be able to tease out an answer. That way I think it gets a bit more into the problem of qualitative vs quantitative when you do (which is partly why I say below that this is related to the problem of the heap). Of course it's really meant to be a philosophical problem anyway, and in that sense, it remains a paradox. It's a way of making an analogy for a "causation dilemma" and gets at the idea of infinite regress and the paradoxes that brings up. It's also related to the sorites paradox or the problem of the heap, which actually is an element discussed in Marxist (more because of Engels) dialectics.

[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

I thought this was a T-shirt and now I want it on a tshirt

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