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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by dystop@lemmy.world to c/chat@beehaw.org

I've been on reddit for a long, long time and i've seen all the changes that have happened in the past decade. I spent a lot of time on Reddit, and have seen the slow infestation of bots, karma whores, and guerilla marketing disguised as posts.

I'm genuinely excited for the fediverse - it seems like an actual improvement over reddit, and not just a clone. There's a learning curve, but there was one when joining reddit too.

I participated in the migration to Voat, and saw how/why it failed. I'm more optimistic about the fediverse for various reasons, and I'm dedicating my time to helping this thrive.

I was a lurker on Voat, but I'm trying to be active here. I don't like modding, but I've even created my own community here, which is saying a lot given how lazy I am. Hope to interact with y'all more!

And if you're still reading this, i hope you don't mind a shoutout to my new community, maliciouscompliance - recreated this as it was one of my favorite places to lurk on reddit!

/c/maliciouscompliance@lemmy.world

https://lemmy.world/c/maliciouscompliance

!maliciouscompliance@lemmy.world

EDIT: since a few people asked - I posted in this comment below why I think lemmy has a much better chance than voat did

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[-] SmugBedBug@lemmy.iswhereits.at 26 points 1 year ago

I find Lemmy generally more welcoming to post comments. Its likely because of the lack of bots and trolls. Let's hope they stay clear from here.

[-] KillaBeez@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Seriously.

Going back to Reddit to read about the blackouts was jarring after spending the past few days on here. I didn't realize just how negative, toxic, and mentally draining Reddit was until I stopped using it.

[-] Aviandelight@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

It really is like night and day. I quit reddit on Sunday when I noticed my feed was already looking empty. I've been here ever since and last night for the first time in a while I went to bed feeling happy with life. It's amazing how I never noticed the toxicity that was seeping into my day.

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[-] dystop@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

i'm sure it'll come, but we'll deal with it then!

[-] SmugBedBug@lemmy.iswhereits.at 6 points 1 year ago

Yeah exactly. Being a a not-for-profit open-source project, I'd expect features to eventually be put into place to help moderate this kind of stuff in the future.

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[-] 60winks@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago

I've definitely also noticed the difference, I'd pretty much stopped commenting at all on reddit. But if feels different here, we'll, not so much different but reminds me of those older Internet message board days.

[-] Kayzels@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

The difference is also on Reddit, it felt like your comment would never be seen, because there were so many. It's not the same here. Which makes commenting actually feel worthwhile.

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[-] Azamandriel@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I have been a redditor since the great digg migration. I am enjoying the fediverse experience so far. It makes me realize how much reddit had slowly changed into a place i did not like as much.

[-] dystop@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

What ruined it for me was hidden viral marketing and low-effort karmar whores. I think it was HailCorporate which highlighted just how many posts were straight up viral marketing attempts, and how many of these were posted from accounts with a strange comment history. I couldn't unsee it after that.

As for karma whores.... it's funny to see a pun chain, but not when that's the top comment for 99% of all popular posts.

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[-] Zigabyte@beehaw.org 19 points 1 year ago

It only gets more interesting with each day :)

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[-] Fapper_McFapper@beehaw.org 14 points 1 year ago

Towards the end browsing Reddit just made me angry instead of providing entertainment. Like you mention, what really got under my skin were all the ads disguised as genuine posts, and then all the bots asking for a place to purchase the item advertised.

Do you remember a time where news would break on Reddit and the it would be two or three hours later you would see cable news stations pick it up? It hasn’t happened on Reddit for a very long time. Happened to me yesterday here on Lemmy for the first time. That was a nice feeling. It reminded me of how good reddit once was and how bad it is today. But more importantly, it showed me that Lemmy isn’t just a reddit replacement, it’s looks like it’s the future of the internet.

Anyways, I guess I don’t really have a point, just needed an excuse to shit on reddit again. Fuck reddit.

[-] MadWorks@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I know exactly what you mean with that feeling of being ahead of "the story" or whatever breaking news was coming out. Made me feel a sense of satisfaction that I was actually being well informed instead of just being fed a story.

[-] cass@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Same story here. Probably about a decade using Reddit and it just aint what it used to be even 5 years ago, forget 10 years ago.

I started off just looking for an alternative but quickly warmed to the whole idea of the fediverse (after I figured out what it is lmao). Feels like it hits a really good balance between old-style internet forums and modern-style social media.

It made me realize we don't have to settle for a 1:1 clone - we can build something better. Something that can't be held hostage by a bunch of shareholders and execs, or run into the ground by one asshole.

I think there's a chance to make something really fucking awesome here and I'd rather contribute to that than go back to doomscrolling on Reddit. At this point, I don't think I'd go back even if they miraculously reversed everything.

[-] Kayzels@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Yes, this feels freer. It can't be affected in the same way Spez is messing up Reddit. I'm waiting for more content (I will probably make some myself) that isn't just talking about Rexxit or switching over.

[-] Griff@beehaw.org 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I’ve seen a little bit of the instance on my front page(?) already, kudos! Honestly your aplomb to posting and trying to contribute - even recreating a favorite community - is very reassuring. I have high hopes for the Fediverse :)

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[-] 777@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

I would like to hear more about the move to Voat, what caused the failure in your opinion? I was not part of that as I had other things going on at the time.

[-] dystop@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

Not an expert, but it boils down to two main factors for me:

The biggest factor is the nature of the userbase that migrated. As with Voat, there are (i) people driven here by ideological means ("it doesn't affect me but I believe the change is wrong"), and (ii) people who have no other option ("I need a new home because the change makes reddit less useful for me"). Of all the folks who belong to (i), i wouldn't be surprised if majority move back to reddit quietly over the next 2 months. The reality is that people are used to reddit, and it contains a decade's worth of information and social networks that lemmy doesn't have. It's simply easier to find info on reddit. That leaves (ii), which will probably make up the majority of long-term migrants. Unfortunately for Voat, (ii) was comprised of people who post/read actively on hate subs. /v/fatpeoplehate was one of the top, er... subs? at Voat. When your userbase is gathered around one specific, kinda-toxic purpose, it's hard to see it succeed. For lemmy, (ii) consists of people with strong preferences for third-party mobile apps. I don't know for sure, but I think these folks are (like me) long-time redditors, power users, and generally contribute more than usual. Third-party users are also more diverse, and don't have one specific interest. That is a more self-sustaining community.

A smaller factor is the nature of the site. Voat was basically reddit, with less moderation. Literally no other improvements. The fediverse is interesting, and I think it's better. Even if you disagree, it's still objectively different. A relatively small site can't succeed against a behemoth if it's exactly the same.

I think you have a good point here. The type of user that migrates. Plus, since the api changes makes moderation harder, there might be a bunch of mods moving over, whom would tend to have a greater impact on their communities ( may it be more activity, or modding, etc )

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[-] Cmar@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Voat attracted quite a number of people that were on the extreme end of things.

[-] Beardliest@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

That's an understatement. It was the worst of the worst that moved there and thought they were going to have free reign. Then Voat clamped down on the extreme racism and the site died.

[-] query@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Guessing it failed because the migration was weighted towards people who were the least welcome on reddit, some maybe unfairly, but there are also good reasons to not want certain people/behaviors around.

[-] Confuzzeled@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

It was a strange time, I saw communities I used to enjoy like r/conspiracy overran by contemporary politics and thinly veiled antisemitism. All the fun went out of it seemingly overnight.

[-] OverfedRaccoon@beehaw.org 12 points 1 year ago

I am also an 11-year Reddit vet making the move. Welcome! This isn't my first Fediverse experience, but definitely my most promising (I don't really tweet, so Mastodon is kind of whatever to me). This and kbin have been great.

I was also part of the Voat migration. I never left Reddit, as I didn't mind them cracking down on some of the more questionable content, but I did check Voat out. I wasn't part of the cesspool that showed up there, but I did enjoy participating in some of the smaller communities. I think what didn't work was that it just got stale. Same reason I didn't like Snapzu or some of the other "Reddit alternatives." Even larger communities were just... dead. What made Reddit work was that everyone was there, and even small, niche communities had active users.

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[-] MooseGoose@beehaw.org 10 points 1 year ago

This feels super exciting like when I was alternating between digg and reddit before digg started dying in 2010.

[-] dystop@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

yeah, and i haven't even felt the need to check reddit for a day now!

[-] AwkwardPenguin@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Hear hear buddy! That's all we want, a get together and lurk on.

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[-] SkinOfAnOrange@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

11 years with Reddit in September here.

As some other people have mentioned, I have missed that rawness of old internet forums, and I feel like this brings it back in some way. Which I love, as Reddit was becoming too corporate, which has obviously been their downfall.

I feel as I can be more active on here, though I became more and more active on Reddit as time went on, but didn't really enjoy it.

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[-] Bretzel@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

I was a lurker on Reddit because the community was so toxic. On Lemmy, everyone is nice. It is nice to see such good place on the internet today

[-] JCreazy@midwest.social 8 points 1 year ago

I am with you 100%. Even though there is a learning curve, it's not too bad. If the process gets simplified I think it might take off more. I forgot all about voat. I remember when the fatpeoplehate subreddit got banned they all went there.

[-] mrmanager 8 points 1 year ago

I think it's equally good to reddit, and with a better community spirit. :) No bots or angry people yet...

[-] darius@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

WHAT DO YOU MEAN THERE ARE NO ANGRY PEOPLE YOU FUCKWIT!

(I'm just joking. Are we doing /s here?)

[-] dystop@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

if lemmy grows, the trolls and bots will come... but that's a problem for the future!

[-] gourd@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

I saw someone edit a post title and it blew my mind. I'm liking it here so far too. There's a few kinks to work out, but I don't think the learning curve is too bad. The Jerboa app is fine too.

[-] Kayzels@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Wait, you can edit post titles? That's so cool!

[-] gourd@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

mhmm I've seen a few posts where people asked questions, and they changed the title to include [solved] when they got answers.

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[-] ngwoo@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago

I'm surprised by how quickly it's become active. Most discussions are still about Reddit or Lemmy, but even that feels like it's changing.

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[-] monkeytennis@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago

I've been trying to contribute here more than I did on Reddit, and honestly I'm amazed how smooth it's been.

Lots of small UI frustrations, but I can already see the pull requests lining up, so I'm happy to wait.

[-] pivotraze@infosec.pub 6 points 1 year ago

Very excited for malicious compliance to be back. It was also one of my favorite subs. That, pettyrevenge, and prorevenge were some of my favorites.

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[-] DigiWolf@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My only concern is that I'm wondering about the viability of federated websites once the user-base of a single instance gets large enough. At that point won't it just be the same problem where there is a massive server usage and therefore needs community support?

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[-] Beardliest@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

My only concern is that I seem to have "Subscribe Pending" for a lot of different communities. Not sure what that means and not sure what the limits are for that.

Overall, I prefer it here over reddit. I think I will actually be more active.

[-] dystop@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I read somewhere that it's a bug and means you're probably subscribed.

FWIW, I'm seeing posts from "Subscribe Pending" communities in my feed.

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[-] Nytelock@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Same here was on Reddit for like 11 years at least. It's definitely a learning curve. I didn't even know lemmy, mastadon, or the fediverse even existed before this blackout.

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[-] SenatorBumCuckets@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

Also an 11 year Redditor here haha.

I got my start browsing rage comics on iFunny and 9GAG, then began browsing Reddit around 2010/11. I finally made my account in 2012. I too watched as Reddit became overrun with bots. I watched as summer Reddit stopped ending and became the norm, people responding in comments with corrections and more information lessened, the obvious astroturfing increased, obvious propaganda took over almost all the defaults, and most importantly, they started shutting down subs that might possibly maybe make them look bad for an IPO.

They desecrated the grave of Aaron Swartz on spit on his name by removing him as a co-creator of Reddit. The cartoonishly evil decisions came one after another and I've had enough as well.

Voat didn't stand a chance because the people who were migrating over were lurkers.

I genuinely believe in Lemmy because this time, it's the mods. The people that actually keep the site running.

Fuck Reddit, fuck u/Spez, go Lemmy

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[-] AteMoonPie@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I do not reply to Reddit's threads at all but Lemmy somehow makes me feel like I'm part of this community. Enjoying my time here very much.

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[-] topz@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

11 year reddit lurker here too, trying to be more active on this platform. Welcome.

[-] HappyMeatbag@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago

Hey, thanks, and welcome! Malicious Compliance was one of my favorites, too!

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