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For now both DIY and prebuild edition (all configurations) are in batch 4 which ships in late Q4 2023.
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I’m guessing Linus’s investment is safe then :)
His investment is probably part of why these are such a hot commodity.
The media presence and advertising from LMG is worth a crazy amount. His followers are the exact target audience of this device and as long as he’s showing off what they’re up to I think they’ll continue to sell like this.
Spot on. I would have no idea Framework existed without LTT, and I likely would not have clicked into the article or comments on this thread, either.
Never heard of them before this but the name and sold out had me curious so I looked them up. If I was in the market for laptop this would for sure be my top choice. I greatly prefer my desktop and anything I can't do there I just do on my phone so everytime I get the itch for a laptop I regret buying it because it ends up just sitting.
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I'm really happy they're seeing good demand. Fully upgradable laptops have been a dream of mine for years and I've been thinking when it's time for me to replace mine, the Framework would be at the top of my list.
My only hesitation points when I first heard about the laptop was whether the company would survive long enough to make upgrades/accessories and whether the main board upgrades would actually work. The concept was, as you say, a dream.
Both of those concerns have faded away for me, my next laptop is pretty much 100% going to be a framework. Just need to stop spending money on dumb stuff so I can afford it...
Next time I need to replace my laptop I'll be getting a Framework if possible. I hate having old electronics go to waste and my devices are usually still in very good condition, just the internals can't keep up, so this sort of laptop was made for me. Plus I love tinkering with electronics and some of those modules look interesting!
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Hell yeah Framework deserves all the goodness coming their way. I have an ASUS that's serving me well for now, but I think when I go to replace it next year, they're the ones I'm going to. Hopefully by then, they have AMD boards in the smaller sizes.
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I'm glad to see the reception on this. Framework is doing a lot of good to help drive consumers toward more repairable options, and drive competitors to hopefully do the same in the long run. Hats off to them.
They really do produce great hardware, in my dev team we either use MacBooks or Framework Laptops depending on what everyone wants to use. Upgradability is great and everyone is really happy with their device so far.
can confirm. Work thinkpad broke a year ago and switched to a framework (had the exact same price for the same specced thinkpad, but was fully repeairable copared to thinkpads).
And just last week I received my personal 13gen intel framework.
Great hardware
Batches 4 and 5 are also sold out by now.
Meanwhile, batches 8 and 9 have been added to the list. Looks like they did not anticipate this kind of success.
I'm glad they're doing well, sadly Framework isn't available in my country, otherwise I'd consider them for my next laptop.
waits excitedly for Framework to ship in my region
It's fine, my current laptop has a couple of years life left in it. They'll open up orders by then right? Right?
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You can also buy MiniPCs from bee-link or others with same AMD or others powerful ones for cheap, if you don't absolutely need a laptop
I actually have no idea what Framework is.
Check it out! It's a great, modular, and repairable laptop with comparable prices for the specs in regards to mainstream laptops.
You can even upgrade the motherboard, which means as long as the company doesnt go under you can just infinitely reuse and upgrade it kinda like a tower PC.
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Check the frame.work website. User repairable and upgradeable. Neat part is removable swappable ports so you configure the sides of your laptop how you like it.
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I do badly want to like these.. but I don't see the point.
Repairability wise mid range ThinkPad is nearly as good. Only major difference is I think Framework claims they will release schematics... and as someone who actually does component level repairs I've seen promises like this work I've or twice, but then they stop maintaining their data or pays get hard to get rendering the gesture null.
Upgrade wise... I switch machines every 4 to 6 years... at which point the chassis has a bit of wear and tear.
Spec wise I buy what I need and add a little headroom with the ThinkPad.
Spare parts are good for ThinkPad and Lenovo actually has component replacement guides that no one seems to mention or know about.
And when I do upgrade I appreciate having a complete spare machine.
I think it's also not unreasonable to assume my style of buying and upgrading is not uncommon.
This leaves the Framework very few hardware advantages and nil price advantages.
I still think they're a great idea, but I don't see any practical benefit over a sensible alternative.
Genuine question... Have I missed anything?
Well, framework has one cool side-effect of their repair-friendly approach: their laptop mainboard can be used as an SBC. I've seen a few projects use it in this way, and I believe they even sell an official plastic case for it. It's a well-documented piece of computer hardware that is regularly refreshed and can be fitted easily into slim chassis.
Oh, and another cool thing is that their screens have magnetic bezels. ThinkPads are a PITA to fix if you just want to replace an LCD panel; framework makes it trivial to keep the upper chassis and only replace the part that's actually broken. That's the real pitch with Framework: replace anything easily and upgrade your computer for only the cost of the mainboard or socketable component. Some of their newer devices have a socketable PCIe expansion bay, which could be used for things like socketable GPU upgrades.
I just had a look at their motherboards, nearly AUD$1000 shipped for the cheapest available 12th gen board... board only.
Just bought a ThinkPad with 16gb dual channel and 1TB nvme for $60 less than this and it has an on-site warranty.
I love the idea but the pricing is insane.
Just pricing the minimum possible 16" machine came to AUD$2400 with no ram, no SSD, no OS, no numpad and no charger.
Add all this things, even self bought your looking at over $3k or even $4k if you want the GPU
I wish them luck... They're going to need it.
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My opinion:
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Framework has a good track record and I would give them the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. (Concerning upgradeability)
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laptops are getting more and more powerful and I like the idea of treating them similar to a desktop
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as a ThinkPad user you probably know how popular especially old ThinkPads are, because of the ability to mod them
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you might buy a new laptop every few years but the point above proves that there will be people interested in a second hand laptop, therefore reducing waste
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there will always be a market for good quality and customer friendly products and the existence of framework is great for competition (for the end user)
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they support the open source mentality, even tried to help to bring coreboot to their laptops. Even though that failed they're keeping an eye on openSIL
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overall I'm more of Linux instead of Windows, FOSS instead of corporate closed software, Lemmy instead of reddit and framework/system76/.. instead of Lenovo/.. kind of person. I see it partly as a fight for "freedom" if you so will.
I think that swappable GPUs are the killer feature. A 7 year old CPU is fine, a 7 year old GPU not so much.
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I want one so fucking badly, but I can't really justify the cost. But I could... Just... Get one anyway. Somebody help me.
Also, when will they be delivered? Not that quickly I suppose? Edit: I can't read apparently.
I’ve been curious about these framework laptops for a while now. They seem pretty rad, but I really only compute on desktop, have a work provided laptop that could never be this, and the only other computer I need in my life is a Mac for app development, which this can’t fulfill. If I ever need a non-Mac laptop for personal use, framework would be the thing though.
As soon as ortho keyboards are a possibility it's an insta-buy from me: https://twitter.com/FrameworkPuter/status/1648371892062130176
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Great to see this news about a company focused on repairability and sustainability .
I really hope they are successful, I would get one too if I didnt need a new laptop.
Still have my trusty Lenovo X1 Carbon 5th Gen. Once this laptop dies or my system requiments change, I will get a Framework system.
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I just looked at the framework site. My wifes laptop died recently and was looking at a new one.
Literally everything from the last year is out of stock new stock is pre-order only.
I think they may have some 11th gen models still.
I just bought the wife a Thinkpad T480 refurb instead for 400 bucks.
If I didn't have several laptops already I'd have picked one of these up.
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