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A community for everything related to Palestine and the occupation currently underway by the occupying force known as Israel.

Anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism. Existence is resistance for Palestinians.

Please refer to Israel as Occupied Palestine, or occupied territories. The IDF is a fascist and ethnonationalist occupying force. Israelis are settlers. We understand however that the imperial narrative (which tries to legitimise Israel) is internalised in the imperial core and slip-ups are naturally expected.

We always take the sides of Palestine and Palestinians and are unapologetic about it. Israel is an occupying power whose "defence force"'s (note the contradiction) sole purpose for existing is to push Palestinians out so they can resettle their rightful land. If you have anything positive to say about Israel we do not care.

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[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 32 points 3 months ago

"We refuse to abide by international law because its a violation of our sovereignty, but anyone who doesn't follow international law is bad and should be bombed into extinction."

Blinken and I differ on a most issues, but we agree on his BOMB AMERICA policy.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 23 points 3 months ago (2 children)

How dumb do you have to be to believe this bullshit in 2024?

[–] Barx@hexbear.net 27 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Liberals are just as low-information as MAGAs, they just use media sources with a cleaner sheen of faux respectability. They believe in a large number of myths foundational to their political beliefs, part of their nationalist, pro-bourgeouis democratic ideology. When you tell them the US stands for international law and human rights they nod along and say, "yeah that's right and we're good unlike those [designated enemies]". The fact that both the US and Israel constantly flout intentional law, their own treaties, commit war crimes, etc etc doesn't register as a real challenge to their beliefs at first. They still have v the designated enemies to compare to and can quickly stop thinking about the inconsistency by plunging themselves back into the capitalist media rationalization machine (pervasive ready-made narratives).

It's possible to break through the pattern but a lot of people get stuck in it.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 17 points 3 months ago

I agree. One of my brothers is the epitome of this. As far as he's concerned, the NY Times is all you need. A lifetime (or longer) of propaganda can be hard to overcome. Being relatively comfortable and raising young kids also seems to make it extra hard to accept certain unpleasant realities.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I always wonder if ghouls like Blinken are dumb enough genuinely believe this, or they just think everyone else is an idiot.

[–] MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If they did, they'd be rubes, not ghouls. They know it's bullshit, but they have fully-vested interests in that bullshit, so they follow that line.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 3 months ago

I lean towards that as well, one would have to be incredibly dumb not to realize that this is utter bullshit.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I honestly don't know. I kind of think most politicians kind of see reality as 100% plastic. Trump is the extreme end of this to the point that whatever shit falls out of his mouth he immediately believes. Most just learn to believe whatever they need to on any given day.

I agree generally but Trump's comments on his base believing anything he says or following him no matter what, and the contradictions between what he says publicly and what he does privately—on Christianity, for example—does make me think he mostly knows what's a truth and a lie.

But a lot of them, Trump included, are true believers of at least some of the propaganda. No one is immune.

[–] ComradePlatypus@hexbear.net 23 points 3 months ago

I agree I do think Hamas has more respect for international law and the laws of war than Israel.

[–] ksdhf@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 3 months ago

USA politicians are entirely dependent upon the average person not knowing what international law is. That's why they're cracking down so hard on social media, especially tiktok. I have seen many accounts explaining international laws and how Israel has violated them.

[–] vaguevoid@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 3 months ago

that couldn’t be more ironic lmao

[–] DankZedong@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Not a single journalists asking about the use of white phosphorus for example. What's the point of going to college for years to study journalism if stuff like this can't be asked?

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 3 months ago

There are very few actual journalists in US mainstream at this point. Matt Lee is the only one that comes to mind who actually asks real questions at the press briefings for example. The education system is basically designed to create propagandists as opposed to journalists, and it intentionally filters out most people who want to do genuine journalism.

[–] supersolid_snake@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Can't violate human rights if you don't consider the darkies human. Blinken is a classic Victorian era liberal.

[–] RedCheer@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 3 months ago

Sanctions the International Court of Justice.

Comedy gold, Jerry!

[–] LarkinDePark@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 3 months ago

We're way deep into the post reality era.

[–] big_spoon@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

what separates US and Israhell regimes from Hamas is respect for international law and the laws of war

i mean, obviously us and isn't real aren't respecting those things, so clearly they weren't talking about themselves. it's some kind of veiled praise to hamas?

[–] REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

A normal warm blooded person yould have meant that. However, Blinken is a shameless lizard in human skin. So he propably meant Isn'treal.

[–] dkr567@hexbear.net 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

US and following laws is like Germany (excluding GDR) and being normal, no such thing. Liberalism is nothing but mental rot.

[–] AnarchoBolshevik@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Neoliberals respect international law and the laws of war now? How did I end up in Bizarro World‽

[–] Addfwyn@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 months ago

Dear Mr. Blinken, remind me what the law is in the US should a USian ever be charged in the ICC? I am sure full compliance with all the respect due to international law. You absolutely wouldn't have a law on the books justifying an invasion of the Netherlands whenever you want, right?