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I've watched the keynote and read some stuff on the internet and I've found this video about a dude talking about the new update (I linked it here because if you didn't see the keynote, this is probably enough)

Is it just me, or... does no one address that Apple does a Microsoft move by basically scanning everything on every machine and feeding this into their LLM?

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[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

because its target audience thinks it is a feature?

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[–] HurlingDurling@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (3 children)
[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com -2 points 5 months ago
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[–] mspencer712@programming.dev 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

So I’m curious . . . what reference am I missing that helps me understand what menu settings cause exactly which pieces of personal data to be shared with which Apple services? I want to RTFM, and while I appreciate people wanting to be helpful, comment replies are not themselves documentation.

(I switched from Android to ios in 2020 and haven’t really figured out details beyond turning icloud sync off for specific apps. I’d like to add more devices and learn to trust that sync method but I don’t understand where crypto is used and how the keys are handled.)

[–] bloodfart@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago

Everything is encrypted with iCloud except for email and something else that’s obviously not encrypted that I can’t fucking remember.

iCloud encryption can be defeated with a server side key that’s used by Apple if you need to recover your account (so like you get your account hijacked or forget your password or something). Apple can be compelled by subpoena, like any other company, to provide the contents of your iCloud because they have this capability.

If you don’t like that, you can turn on advanced data protection, which deletes their server side key, generates new keys and re encrypts everything after you write down your special alphanumeric key without which your iCloud contents are inaccessible.

The security checkup in settings will let you figure out who has access to what.

[–] FiniteBanjo 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Apple customers are accustomed to be ridden like ponies, the fact that they bought an apple to begin with shows they have absolutely no concerns for their own privacy or their computer's usability. The men and women of the land, so to speak.

Windows Users only put up with Windows because it's THE workstation operating system in every industry, they don't appreciate the company or the quality or any of that other hokey shit that Apple fans say to rationalize their poor decisions. We use it because we have to, not by choice.

[–] Xanxia@lemmy.zip 1 points 5 months ago

..because that would just affect apple users, and not me. I don't chose to use windows, I am forced, so I hate when they take away my choice of keeping it out of my stuff

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Apple has its llm's running locally. Thats a huge win I hope that sets a standard i really hope someone make an android app thats foss that can do something simmillar.

[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Microsoft's models run locally too. It doesn't make a difference, because they are shipping everything you do home.

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Does copilot use chatgpt thats not local. And thats why we need a good foss ai ecosystem.

[–] Gumus@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

The requirement for Recall is a neural coprocessor with substantial performance, specifically to be able to run the model locally.

[–] Wanangwa_Bamidele@thelemmy.club -5 points 5 months ago
  • usually people got Microsoft license for free (by working in company, and company buy you enterprise license)
  • But with apple, people usually get it by passion.
[–] SirEDCaLot -5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's a very simple answer Apple has guaranteed that your data will stay on your device and stay secure. This is generally trusted because Apple has a track record of keeping user data secure on the device or encrypted in the cloud even in ways Apple cannot access. Point is, when Apple says they are going to do this in a way that respects privacy, and they outline the technical details of how it will work, people trust that because there's a track record.

Microsoft has no such trust. They have a recent track record of being intrusive and using dark patterns to persuade users to give Microsoft their data, for example in Edge there have been new feature pop-ups that require data sharing with Microsoft and the two options are 'got it' and 'settings' so accepting requires one click and rejecting requires 4 going into the settings menu and changing a few things. Microsoft is also heavily pushing Copilot which is mostly cloud-based. Furthermore, Microsoft recently showed a system that would basically screenshot your computer at very regular intervals and store them in an insecure manner. Granted it was on the device, but the way they were going to be stored meant they could be stolen with two lines of code. And let's not forget that Windows 11 cannot be set up without a Microsoft account, so to even use your computer you have to share your email address with Microsoft. In this and many other ways they just do not act like a company that respects privacy at all, they act like the typical big tech give us everything or we will make your life difficult type company that nobody trusts.

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