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submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml to c/science_memes@mander.xyz
 

Someone else on mastodon found this https://masto.ai/@stavvers/112655306069874958

EDIT: they might actually be the original author of that? I can't find this indexed anywhere else online (google, google scholar, and google books all turn up nothing or just that mastodon post)

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[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Based.

Edit: What paper is this from? Preferably a sci-hub link

[–] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Now that I'm looking for it, I can't find it anywhere, I think it might just be something unpublished from the person on mastodon. Would make sense with them saying they love footnotes

[–] 01101000_01101001@mander.xyz 2 points 3 months ago

Would be super easy to make a LaTeX document on Overleaf just for the Internet points

[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Is the point meant to be that women don't build off of their previous work as much as men? lol

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This "science meme" needs more science and less meme, imo, lol

[–] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Not necessarily. Self citation is different than building on your previous work. You might just seek to use other citations for the relevent concepts

Edit: the 2015 paper this is referencing lists many differing potential reasons for it. Ranging from worrying more about negative feedback for self citation to being more likely to being more critical of their own work

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/2378023117738903

[–] MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 3 months ago

Yeah, I feel like a good middle ground is to cite your previous work in the context of "as we previously reported," but maybe that's just based on something that was ingrained in me by academia. It seems tacky. My boss has no problem with it though, he's like, "idgaf, more citations, more views, higher impact."

[–] vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Also we chase women out of academia by early mid-career, so they have less opportunity for self citation.

[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Uh, women graduate college at a rate much higher than men in the US, this is total bullshit, lol.

[–] vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

First of all, at best it’s tangentially related. There are a lot of steps between graduation with a collage degree (which in the U.S., let’s face it, usually means a bachelors) and being a mid career researcher.

Second, if anything it underscores my point - that women are dropping out of academia faster than men.

But we don’t have to speculate. We have lots of statistics about this. Women leave academia at higher rates than men. This is not really up for debate.

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago