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[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 35 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Nastiness. The clear connection, at its heart, it's nastiness. Lack of compassion. Zero empathy.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Unfortunately it's a little more organized than general nastiness.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

You're right, yes.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago

It’s almost like both the Nazis and the queers have been saying that

[–] Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz 20 points 3 months ago (15 children)

Werent the Nazis pro abortion for everyone else?

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 37 points 3 months ago (2 children)

And LGBTQ were also victims of their genocide.

Like, the largest demographic of victims were Jewish, but there was a bunch of other groups getting the same treatment.

The difference is LGBTQ was hated by both sides. After Alan Turing contributed more to stopping the nazis than probably any other single person, England chemically castrated him due to his sexual preference which likely contributed to his suicide.

Fascists always prioritize the easiest targets first

[–] Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz 8 points 3 months ago (10 children)

The jews were also maligned by both sides.

[–] paf0@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

One side fought for them. Or, at the very least, freed them when they won.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago (9 children)

What?

The war wasn't fought to stop genocide of any group, it was because Germany and their allies kept invading and attacking other countries.

This is what I'm complaining about.

People learn a feel good version of why WW2 happened in school and run with it. But it's not really that accurate, it's just what we tell kids in school.

[–] paf0@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

So, as I said, at the very least they were freed?

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[–] tootoughtoremember@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

Probably easier to stick with "at the very least, freed them".

Pearl Harbor was the rallying cry that brought America together (mostly) to fight the Axis powers. Prior to that, isolationist (and Anti-Semitic) groups such as the America First Committee were growing in popularity. To say America was fighting for the Jews in WW2 may be technically correct based on who was responsible for the Holocaust, but it was more the byproduct of who America's enemies were at the time, rather than being a primary motivator. Coming in as the savior to a population being persecuted is rarely the real reason wars are fought.

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[–] aidan@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

which likely contributed to his suicide.

remember, it is still unknown if it was actually a suicide at all

[–] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Let's just chalk it up to Government murder either way!

[–] aidan@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

His mom believed it was an accident, I have no clue just want to clarify it's not settled

[–] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

After reading further past the imagery of snow white and crying about the parallels between that and his death and my own experiences as a gay man, thank you. It very well could have been the poorly stored electroplating chemicals stored in his home. He habitually ate an apple before bed and often discarded it not fully eaten. Coroner's notes, when examined by a modern eye, may be more consistent with inhalation than ingestion. He had been off estrogen for a year. He had made a list of things to complete when he went back to work after the holiday weekend.

I should make sure my chemicals are stored properly.

[–] aidan@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yep! There's a lot of things that make it entirely possible it was an accident. I also want to clarify, I'm not discounting how abusive the government was to him- just saying we really don't know for sure what happened

[–] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

A fair assessment. Thank you for widening my perspective! ^⁠_⁠^

[–] aidan@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

His mom believed it was an accident, I have no clue just want to clarify it's not settled

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

Pretty sure they were pro sterilization of basically anyone not Aryan.

[–] vividspecter@lemm.ee 6 points 3 months ago

Abortions for some, a white ethnostate for others!

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Only as a final solution.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

They were pro abortion to 148th trimester adults! Well......if they were jewish (or a handfull of other things)

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[–] Anti_Iridium@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago

May 6th, 1933, Date of the first Nazi book burnings. The location, Berlin Institute of Sex Research.

[–] TheBigBrother@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If you are not Aryan you can be sterilized WO any problem.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Given the context, I'm assuming this is sarcasm.....at least I HOPE it's sarcasm!!!

[–] TheBigBrother@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

My point is, for nazis you can perfectly be sterilized, except if you are Aryan then you can't, so the premise isn't 100% truth..

[–] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I would argue that the connection is a lot older than Nazis. The era around 1250 responded to a nasty wave of the Black death by Christian leaders collaborating to simultaneously fight the population decline by criminalizing abortion friendly midwifery and ostracize and subjugate gender and sexual minorities because they feared the collapse of society due to a population bust. As such what was taught by the church up to that point began to get new connotations. Jewish populations were persecuted and killed as scapegoats for the cause of the plague. Folk medicine women and non-conforming men were killed and condemned for witchcraft. While women stepped up to fill the roles of men during the plague once the population was rebounding their power of place in society was to be broken as the Church leaned on it's misogynistic practices and preached of the dangers to society and the family...

Nazisim is just a more modern echo of well established means to break the power of non compliant of groups who can be scapegoated or subjugated into subservience to Christians who feel threatened, a group that centers nominally celebate and wealthy men whose only contact with women is in a subordinate role.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 months ago

Is a tree connected to its leaves?

See? They Owned the Libs!!!

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