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I have tried Linux as a DD on and off for years but about a year ago I decided to commit to it no matter the cost. First with Mint, then Ubuntu and a few others sprinkled in briefly. Both are "mainstream" "beginner friendly" distros, right? I don't want anything too advanced, right?

Well, ubuntu recently updated and it broke my second monitor (Ubuntu detected it but the monitor had "no signal"). After trying to fix it for a week, I decided to wipe it and reinstall. No luck. I tried a few other distros that had the same issue and I started to wonder if it was a hardware issue but I tried a Windows PC and the monitor worked no problem.

Finally, just to see what would happen I tried a distro very very different than what I'm used to: Fedora (Kinode). And not only did everything "just work" flawlessly, but it's so much faster and more polished than I ever knew Linux to be!

Credit where it's due, a lot of the polish is due to KDE plasma. I'd never strayed from Gnome because I'm not an expert and people recommend GNOME to Linux newbies because it's "simple" and "customizable" but WOW is KDE SO MUCH SIMPLER AND STILL CUSTOMIZEABLE. Gnome is only "simple" in that it doesn't allow you to do much via the GUI. With Fedora Kinode I think I needed to use the terminal maybe once during setup? With other distros I was constantly needed to use the terminal (yes its helped me learn Linux but that curve is STEEP).

The atomic updates are fantastic too. I have not crashed once in the two weeks of setup whereas before I would have a crash maybe 1-2 times per week.

I am FULLY prepared for the responses demanding to know what I did to make it crash and telling me how I was using it wrong blah blah blah but let me tell you, if you are experienced with Windows but want to learn Linux and getting frustrated by all the "beginner" distros that get recommended, do yourself a favor and try Fedora Kinode!

edit: i am DYING at the number of "you're using it wrong" comments here. never change people.

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[-] erwan@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 day ago

Unfortunately boring distributions don't get recommended because users of boring distributions don't bother commenting on distribution discussions.

And it's really unfortunate that obscure distributions have more vocal fans, because boring distributions are much better for beginners.

[-] Blaiz0r@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Ironically this is how I feel about Arch, for me it's worked flawlessly for years.

I don't bother getting in 'discussions' about using it, because if other people have problems I'm not going to convince them that I don't.

[-] EddoWagt@feddit.nl 2 points 1 day ago

It's mostly the installation and initial setup that's a pain on arch, so definitely not a beginner distro, but very good nonetheless

[-] Blaiz0r@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

Yeah totally, I think to use Arch successfully you need an opinion about what your system needs, and that takes experience with using Linux.

Installation is pretty trivial these days with the install script

[-] Mango@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Because SE Linux drove me bonkers once and I am petty.

[-] azvasKvklenko@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago

There are couple of concerns and how Fedora Workstation is designed for… well, development workstation. There is SELinux, that sometimes gets in a way, now they ditched codecs with loyalties by default, some default configs are a bit controversial and maybe not perfectly suited for home computer and non-tech savvy users, 3rd party packages are sometimes lacking and when you want to go beyond what’s in stock repo and rpmfusion, you can even break the system by installing random COPR packages (I mean AUR is not a whole lot better, but is more complete and less needed given how much there is to stock repos, PPAs are just as bad) or end up compiling stuff manually. But I still think that Fedora can be pretty nice for many people out of the box.

[-] MXX53@programming.dev 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I love Fedora. But, part of my day job is also managing linux servers. I tend to recommend things that I think are the easiest to get running. Although Fedora is super easy to get running (at least to me), I find the installation process of mint or pop os to be much easier overall. Between those two OSes, I have moved several people from windows to fulltime linux and I'm not entirely sure that the conversion would have been as successful with fedora and without more help from me during the install process.

[-] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 43 points 2 days ago

People generally recommend Debian-based distributions because they tend to be more popular, have more applications designed first and foremost to work on them, and tend to have the most community support because they are more popular.

[-] Grimpen@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 days ago

This has been my experience. I used Fedora for a while years ago, but rpm was already second fiddle to deb. Plus, I was already selling into my "old man distro" so I kept ending up with some Ubuntu version.

I did recently Manjaro and Linux Mint, but ended up with Ubuntu again, although this time Kubuntu, Ubuntu with KDE!

No shade from me though for going with Red Hat.

[-] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

I'm generally more of a Debian user, when I use Linux at least, so anything red hat based doesn't even occur to me to recommend. I generally don't get involved in distro discussions though.

My main interaction with Linux is Ubuntu server, and that's where my knowledge generally is. I can't really fix issues in redhat, so if someone is using it, I'm mostly lost on how to fix it.

There's enough difference in how redhat works compared to Debian distributions that I would need to do a lot of work to understand what's happening and fix any problems.

[-] Crafted_104@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

Fedora isn't a beginner distribution

[-] rsolva@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago

Fedora has been my default choice for non-techies in my family the last couple of years and it has been glorious!

All they need is a browser with uBlock, maybe an email reader and LibreOffice. With Silverblue, eveything updates automatically, and upgrades between major versions is a one-click operation. Easy rollback gives me peace of mind.

All they need to know is where the Super key is located on the keyboard. When pressed, it shows the dock with all apps they use and all open windows. Double-tap the Super key and you see all apps, but that is usually not necessary.

I also use the built in remote desktop feature (RDP) in conjunction with a Wireguard connection to my home network. So nice and a joy to never have to fight teamviewer again 😝

[-] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

I dunno if I'd say any distro of Linux is really beginner friendly.

It takes quite a bit of learning the ins and outs of operating systems before Linux makes sense in any capacity.

If you're just looking to run a few basic apps like discord/slack/teams/zoom, and run a browser, then sure, just about every distro can do that without trouble, and can be configured to be as "friendly" as Windows, with a few exceptions.

But anybody who wants to do intermediate/advanced stuff with little to no prior Linux knowledge? I'm not sure any distro is much easier than others. Again, with a few exceptions.

The exceptions are distros that are almost intentionally difficult to use, or that require a high level of competency with Linux before you can attempt to use it.

There's always a learning curve, that learning curve is pretty much always pretty steep.

I've been using Linux for dedicated servers for a while and I don't use Linux as a desktop environment, in no small part because despite having a fairly high level of competency with Linux, I don't feel like I know enough to make Linux work for me instead of the other way around.

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[-] crusty@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

What makes a beginner distribution and why isn't fedora one?

[-] GameMuse@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago

I have never touched Linux/GNU and I installed Linux after the Microsoft recall and when with standard workstation (GNOME) as a dual boot. After the first two weeks reinstalled fedora over top of windows and haven't looked back.

That was 2 months ago and and having no issues even gaming on my machine works great.

[-] bloodfart@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 days ago

When the time came to pick which boring old man distro to use, the people who picked and would recommend fedora all got jobs supporting rhel. They don’t have time or energy to devote to computer touching when they get home from their serious business jobs making sure the computer keeps increasing shareholder value.

Fedora is very good.

I typically run fedora kde, both server and desktop. I've a laptop using hyprland which is great once you remember all the shortcuts you've setup, but fedora kde is worth its weight.

[-] cevn@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

Just finished moving all 3 of my computers to Fedora and WOW it is so good compared to ubuntu. I was missing out. Everything is working on both AMD and Nvidia, even wayland.

[-] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 day ago

I generally do mention that I like my Fedora KDE, but I'm a little worried about SELinux. I have had two or three run-ins with it, and I think that would be hard to diagnose for a noob.

[-] Luna@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 days ago

I do, Fedora is simply the best and meets the most use cases. It combines good privacy and security out of the box with a clean UI (at least with Workstation and KDE spin) while having a package manager that's easy to learn and easy access to Flathub and up-to-date apps (can't stress this enough, even windows and Mac keep apps up to date and don't hold them back for the sake of LTS (sorry Workstation Debian fans). It also brings in newer and better technologies without breaking almost anything (at least for me).

This is just my opinion though, I know people like to reccomend Mint but I personally do not like it, and despise it's desktop options (I am one of the people that do not and never have liked Cinnamon).

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[-] aleph@lemm.ee 62 points 3 days ago
  • requires a fair bit of post-installation configuration (suboptimal OOTB experience for newbies)
  • Uses btrfs by default but comes with no snapshots or GUI manager pre-configured for system restore
  • Less software availability compared to Ubuntu or Mint
  • More likely to break than Ubuntu or Mint
[-] flork@lemy.lol 31 points 3 days ago

requires a fair bit of post-installation configuration

This is crazy to me because of all the distros I've tested over the years Fedora Kinote is by FAR the one I've had to do the least amount of tweaking with. It's almost boring how "just works" it is. It's honestly changed my perspective of what a distro can be.

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[-] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago

I'm a big fan personally. I an experimenting more with OpenSUSE's distro including microOS but that not because of Fedora but more so I want to recommend options that are easy to scale into FOSS professionally for people too and unfortunately RedHat no longer offers that path for Fedora users.

[-] domi@lemmy.secnd.me 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Long-time Fedora user here. I do not think Fedora is noob friendly at all.

  • Their installer is awful
  • Their spins are really well hidden for people who don't know they exist
  • The Nvidia drivers can't be installed via the GUI
  • There's no "third party drivers" tool at all
  • The regular Flathub repo is not the default and their own repo is absolutely useless
  • AMD/Intel GPUs lack hardware acceleration for H264 and H265 out of the box, adding them requires the console
  • Their packages are consistently named differently than their Ubuntu/Debian counterpart

I really like Fedora for their newish packages without breaking constantly. I still would not recommend it for beginners.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 days ago

Half of your complains are fixed in newer releases. For instance it asks you if you want to enable third party repos. If you hit yes it enables the repo for chrome, Nvidia and others plus it setups stock flathub.

[-] domi@lemmy.secnd.me 4 points 1 day ago

That only applies to the GNOME variant, the KDE spin is missing the third party repo toggle.

At least the Flathub repo is fixed on the GNOME variant now. The Nvidia repo is added but the driver is not installed, meaning you still need to use the CLI to install the drivers.

https://rpmfusion.org/Howto/NVIDIA

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[-] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 52 points 3 days ago

A crash 1-2 times a week sounds very strange no matter what Linux distro you're using. I would suggest testing your RAM right away, it could be a hardware problem.

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[-] poki@discuss.online 26 points 3 days ago

Why does nobody here ever recommend Fedora to noobs?

It does happen. It's simply not the popular choice for the following reasons:

  • Fedora and its predecessors were until relatively recently simply more cumbersome in use compared to Debian and Ubuntu;
    • There was a time (like at least over 10 years ago) in which package managers didn't necessarily know how to resolve dependencies. However, Debian's package manager at the time did it earlier than the package manager found on Fedora's predecessor. Hence, this was a clear reason to prefer Debian or Ubuntu over Fedora('s predecessor).
    • Freezing packages and offering stable releases with two years of support (like Debian does), has been and continues to be a very pleasant way to run your Linux OS. That's why, even in the past, Fedora's slower cousin (i.e. CentOS) was very popular (though being RHEL clone didn't hurt either). Fedora, on the other hand, offers a semi-rolling release cycle of 6 months with only 13 months of support since release. With semi-rolling release, I refer to the fact that some packages are frozen and some are not frozen. Hence, you should expect daily updates. Access to the latest and greatest software is great. However, every update is a possible cause/reason for something to bork/break on your system. It's therefore unsurprising that some prefer the predictability found on other distros. Though, for the sake of completeness, one has to mention that Fedora Atomic does a great job at tackling this problem; especially the uBlue projects.
    • A couple of years back, Fedora switched in quick succession to systemd, Wayland and GTK4. Thankfully, I didn't experience this for myself. But, from what I could gather, it was a mess. Users, perhaps rightfully so, questioned Fedora's decision-making. While Fedora wasn't particular loved, this didn't help to retain new users, nor did it help to cultivate a trusted environment.
  • Due to the previous reason, Fedora has not particularly been a very popular distro. Hence, troubleshooting your issues through Google is less straightforward compared to Linux Mint or Ubuntu. Additionally, as Fedora's user base has primarily been more experienced users compared to the ones found on Linux Mint or Ubuntu, it's unsurprising to find less discussion on elementary stuff. Simply by virtue of Fedora's user base already being past that.
  • Fedora, like Debian and openSUSE, offers a relatively bare bones experiences. It does make a lot of sane decisions for you. However, it doesn't focus on being particularly GUI-friendly or newbie-friendly. By contrast, distros like Bazzite, Linux Mint, ~~Manjaro,~~ MX Linux, Nobara, Pop!_OS and Zorin OS (amongst others), do put thought and effort into streamlining the experience as much as they can; especially for newer users.
  • While Fedora is ~~primarily~~ community-driven, Red Hat's influence is undeniable. As such, people that hate corporate interest and/or Red Hat and/or IBM will favor the use of Arch and Debian.

Having said all of that, I've been using Fedora Atomic for over two years now. Heck, Silverblue was my first distro. And it has been excellent so far. Furthermore, with Bazzite (based on Fedora Atomic) and Nobara (based on Fedora) often mentioned in conversations regarding beginner friendly distros, even if Fedora itself isn't explicitly mentioned, the ecosystem is clearly healthy and will continue to flourish.

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[-] geoma@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 days ago

I am installing fedora kinoite to most of the people I install gnulinux to. All noobs.

[-] nyan@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 days ago

Because distros from the Debian family are more popular, any random help article aimed at beginners is likely to assume one of those distros. (If you know how to map from apt to rpm, you're probably not a beginner.) Plus, I don't trust Red Hat, who have a strong influence on Fedora.

(Note that I don't generally recommend my own distro—Gentoo—to newcomers either, unless they have specific needs best served by it.)

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[-] potajito@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 days ago

I wouldn't recommend fedora plain, but the ublue atomic spins are great. Really solid lots of choices (use case, DE, hardware...) personally I use bazzite on the desktop and aurora on the laptop.

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[-] RedNight@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 days ago

I've been having a tough time with it. Maybe I'm unlucky with my hardware and setup. Spend hours this week recovering from a black screen after upgrading to F40. Issue with Plymouth + Nvidia + Luks at boot. Also getting Nvidia to work on F39, my first install. Secondary computer (laptop) macbook 2017, keyboard doesn't work with Fedora compared to Linux Mint.

I'd recommend Linux Mint for beginners after my experiences. imho

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