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[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 104 points 4 months ago

War is hell, can't blame them

[–] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 82 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Such a tough and heartbreaking situation. Of course I'm pretty sure most of us would like to think we'd step up if our country was brutally attacked but I honestly have no idea what I'd do. Facing seemingly endless meat waves would be hell by itself let alone thermobaric bombs and drones.

[–] ArcaneGadget@lemmy.world 62 points 4 months ago (2 children)

No fucking way. I ain't gonna' die fighting for the inflated egos, of the morons in charge of the world powers and their ass-lickers. I'd gather up my loved ones and leave in a heartbeat, if my country started forced conscription. I'm not enough of a nationalist to die "for king and fatherland", no matter how much i like this little country.

[–] Irremarkable@fedia.io 69 points 4 months ago

You don't have to be patriotic to end up stepping up. When you see the shit Russia did to the Ukrainians in the areas they annex in 2014, it's easy to see why people wouldn't want that to happen to their family, and why they'd be willing to step up.

[–] Repelle@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

There have been times in my life when I would have fled, and times in my life when I would have fought. Never for the idea of country, but certainly for the people in the country. I’m a middle aged American woman and having no family anymore, I have considered fighting for the families of Ukraine. Though not too seriously and I don’t even know if they’d take me

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 29 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm not fighting for this shithole country unless I am fighting against MAGAs instead of for MAGAs.

[–] angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I personally think that's the only likely scenario where there'd be war on American soil.

Fuck my country. My loyalty is to my family.

[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

(Completely different country here, no present risk.) The unfortunate reality for me is that I have three kids who might be called up if the shit hits the fan, and I've had 30 odd years longer on this planet.

If its not me, it's my kids.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm too old and too sick to ever be called up to fight unless it's hopeless. But I have a 14-year-old daughter and I see no reason for the modern U.S. military to keep its "women can't be drafted" policy in such a situation. I can't lose her. My biggest fear, one I have nightmares about, is outliving her. Even if I was super patriotic, I don't think I'd risk her being forced to fight. I would flee.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world -3 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago (20 children)

Maybe so, and this may be callous of me, but I would not sacrifice my daughter over them. I don't know whether or not you are a parent, but I don't think many parents would be willing to sacrifice their children because others wanted them sacrificed.

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[–] invisiblegorilla@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

Fight someone else's war...? And risk my life??. Fuck fighting for 'my country' - or some prick who might be in charge of it today. Its a fucking parasite that squeezed me for everything it could get, and relentlessly continues.

[–] robocall@lemmy.world 42 points 4 months ago

All the Ukrainians that were voluntarily willing to serve and fight are either already on the field, injured, or dead.

I believe Ukraine needs foreign soldiers to finish the war, or they will have to surrender eventually. The Russians have no problem dragging this out, sending millions more of their people to die for this war.

[–] xpinchx@lemmy.world 38 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Terrible situation. I had a temp come work for me that had fled from Ukraine. I judged the situation at first, but I considered what I would do in his situation. I'd like to think I'd stay and fight, but we only get one life. My guy was just trying to to survive.

During the first year (Jesus I can't believe I'm saying this), my colleagues in Ukraine thanked us for the work we had and disappeared. I saw him post in a gaming blog comment about Elden Ring dlc so I think he's alive.

Most of the world wants to be left alone.

[–] khaleer@sopuli.xyz 2 points 4 months ago

Your life is worth more than some money the wealth are tryin to obtain by using stupid af patrios.

[–] hark@lemmy.world 32 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Fighting for your home made more logical sense when the consequence of losing your home meant you most likely had nowhere to go and either were stuck under brutal occupation or left to wander for a place to live with a high risk of dying before finding anything. With how much more accessible distant travel is these days, I can't imagine any piece of land worth dying for, especially when considering the typical lack of support that veterans get when the fighting is over.

I respect those with the courage to fight for defense, but I wouldn't look down upon anyone who left.

[–] Venator@lemmy.nz 11 points 4 months ago

considering the typical lack of support that veterans get when the fighting is over.

I've heard this about American vets, but is it true in eastern european countries too?

[–] Somethingcheezie@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

I wouldn't trust them. But then I’m a vet.

[–] zurchpet@lemmy.ml 28 points 4 months ago (10 children)

I have the biggest respect for all the people defending Ukraine from Russia.

But if everybody decided to not go to war. There would be no wars.

Utopia. I know.

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[–] BrokenGlepnir@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago (1 children)

No one is made for war... except 007 after he caught that brain eating amoeba from the gulf coast.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago

No one is made for war, but the world's military medical research teams are working on it.

[–] Zehzin@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

Yeah I'd do the same.

[–] small44@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

I can't judge, prople have different mental strength and courage, i may do or feel the same if i was in place despite believing that all people should resist invaders

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