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What I have learned:

  • Russia has already won the Ukraine war
  • Which NATO started
  • A lot of people in the West think that Ukraine should surrender
  • Also Ukraine was the world's main provider of CSAM
  • Also Ukraine is exploited by the West but if they can unite with Russia then their economy and everything else will finally be alright

It's literally like a bizarro world and everyone is over there agreeing with it. I'm genuinely confused by, who even are these people (what is the mixture of Russian bots / Russian-aligned ordinary people / confused Westerners / some other explanation.)

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[–] protist@mander.xyz 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There is no coherent ideology over there besides "America/the West/capitalism should be destroyed." Dudes would rather Pol Pot be in charge than Joe Biden.

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Last part is true and even more insane/sad because these people are all terminally online gossip mongers that Pol Pot would have immediately executed.

You own a computer? You don't work in the fields? You wear glasses?

Yep, literally executed.

[–] Sootius@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is satire, right? Nobody over there glorifies or likes Pol Pot.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not even remotely satire, and you might notice I never said anyone over there "glorified or likes Pol Pot." Back in my early Lemmy days I spent way too much time on Hexbear trying to understand, and repeatedly was told that any communist dictator, no matter how heinous, from any time in history would be preferable to any US president. They twisted in knots denying any atrocities by communists while at it. They were clear they don't particularly like Putin, Xi, Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, etc, but would prefer their leadership in every case over US leadership

[–] Sootius@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is just.. not representative of any opinion on Hexbear in it's entire history. But feel free to lie.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

Lmao hello from the future

Seethe about it

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Sootius@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's.. a single post, without the user or even vote count shown.

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

you can search it up yourself then, but we both know you won't care

[–] Sootius@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

Cool, after lurking the place a long time I now know full well you're talking shit.

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I recently had a stray gradbear challenge me to show them any link that said Pol Pot was the shit (then he'd quit the fediverse)

They have this theorem on 'actual real world communism' where you're the weakbear if you like book communism but dare to speak ill of said regimes

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

You should post that! if it's good

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

More than once I have seen the same person express both "America is evil and the whole system needs to be destroyed" and also "Joe Biden is bad for the country and I can't support him", and asked the person, well if you think America is bad and Biden is harming the country, doesn't that mean you should support him being in charge, so he can do more damage to this evil thing?

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No, they know that Donald is worse for the country. They want Donald in there so America collapses faster. They want China and Russia to expand.

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't even think they are accelerationists at this point. I think they are all either information warfare operatives or useful idiots. The hexbear admin has essentially admitted to this.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago

The hexbear admin has essentially admitted to this.

Source? I wanna see their exact words

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And Hexbear gets really awkward when you call them out on wanting the Donald.

[–] Sootius@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How so? Because they don't want Donald Trump either.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The worst I've seen them say is that Trump is as bad as Biden.

[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've seen people claim Trump is better for Palestine.

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Palestine, TX

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago

There are some Americans, who upon learning that the US is not the mythological good guy it's propaganda portrayed it as, are dealt such severe psychic damage that the only way their fractured mind is able to cope is to just assume the opposite worldview must be true.

The key takeaway is that they're not capable of thinking for themselves. They require others to tell them what to think, and that's either going to be US or Russian propaganda.

[–] h3mlocke@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Oh, you forgot the "Ukraine is 90% nazis" part

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Tankie 'thought' is very simple: US bad.

that's it. that's all you need to do.

[–] geography082@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So, everyone has to have the same opinion? Is that how the world should be ?. Wtf

[–] AngryishHumanoid@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Reading comprehension really isn't your thing, is it? Or are you just intentionally misstating OPs position to push a different narrative?

[–] geography082@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So little actual discussion from you!

[–] geography082@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Would it make sense to have one? :)

[–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

I see why you talk in circles with your vague platitudes;

If you spoke in a straight line you'd actually get to the fucking point and we would all see your true motives.

[–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That is the power of an echo chamber. My favorite post by a hex was when he tried to convince me that the Tiananmen Square massare was fake. He had a comprehensive list of over 20 links prepared, with bangers like "Actually, the massacre wasn't happening on Tiananmen Square, but next to it. Checkmate globalists". I'd love to link it here, but shame on @goat for deleting that post and sending them to the Tankie corner, because now I can't find it anymore, not even in the mod log.

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

what post are you referring to? I haven't been on the site for almost a year dude

[–] arymandias@feddit.de -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

If this is a honest question I will try to give some honest context, I do not represent a Hexbear, so these are just some views that I have that make me sceptical of the narrative that currently exists.

After the cold war there were calls to establish a common security structure including Russia to try to ensure peace in Europe. Instead the US (with pressure from past satellite states of Moscow, Poland, Czechia, etc) chose to maintain NATO and on top of that invite everybody except Russia, many foreign policy experts already warned that this was a recipe for war, but wether it was malice or incompetence they were ignored. 

Fast forward to 2008 the US suggests inviting Ukraine (and Georgia) to NATO, and Russia makes extremely clear that this would not happen, that this was a red line for them. Now you can disagree with Russias right to say anything about the military alliances of its neighbours, but the fact that Russia is a military regional power with nukes is something you need to deal with. Again wether it was incompetence or malice is hard to say but the next 14 years are basically a chain of escalatory actions by the US combined with a series of stronger and stronger warnings from Russia that this would lead to war.

During the events themselves it is hard to judge as a civilian what exactly is happening in geopolitics, the US has a very clear trackrecord of treat inflation or simply lying about its true intentions or the truth on the ground. It could of course be that this is one of those rare cases where the US are truly the Good Guys™️ or it could be that this is a ploy to weaken a rival with the only price being the destruction of a country they don't care about and the death of hundreds of thousands of military age males they don't care about.

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

For OP: This above is the Russian talking points light, presented as a reasonable timeline. It glances over so much important stuff.

Hexbear is a group of useful idiots steered by the Russian MOD. Anything that destabilized their adversaries is good. This als means feeding a wide array of victim blaming, feeding competing narratives and generally making people question if there actually is a truth.

Shut up about NATO expansion

[–] Sootius@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It glances over so much important stuff

Sure does. Like the 8-year long shelling civilians campaign that Ukraine was undertaking on Donetsk and Luhansk, solely on the basis that it wanted to deny them a vote on their own autonomy.