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Claudia de la Cruz of PSL puts an end to Brianna Wu

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[–] LENINSGHOSTFACEKILLA@hexbear.net 48 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not watching an hour of Wu. Send the highlights, comrade xi

[–] nothx@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

I can’t even imagine what she could say for an hour…

[–] Tomboymoder@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago (1 children)

One hour of a David Pakman hosted debated.....yeaah, I'm not watching that.

[–] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 45 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There has to be other channels that have posted this so we don't have to give Pac Man views

[–] InappropriateEmote@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Always use frontends like invidious, piped, or others. Then you won't ever have to worry about giving views to channels you don't like or dealing with youtube and its ads. Also you will have increased privacy.

In this case, piped: https://piped.yt/watch?v=div2SXe1NBA

invidious: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=div2SXe1NBA

edit: HexReplyBot beat me to it with the alternative links.

[–] Socialism_Is_The_Alternative@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I just found Claudia de la Cruz's presidential campaign site, for those interested:

https://votesocialist2024.com/

[–] CarbonConscious@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Ok she seems awesome, and I've heard the PSL endorsed by at least a few Marxists I trust, but what do yall think about them and their platform? Any weird gotchas in there or history of grossness from her or the organization?

[–] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I believe some northeast chapters have had SA cover up accusations levied against them, but I had my own not great experience with my local branch in the Midwest. Nowhere near anything like that, just more of a "this branch needs to figure out what they're doing, and they're actively leading me on and wasting my time" sorta thing.

That said, I've voted for them in the past, and if they're on the ballot, they'll get my vote. I just dont work with them locally anymore.

[–] da_gay_pussy_eatah@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I only know of one case in the philly branch, and like from what I heard, it was an understandably messy situation, but that seems more like a problem in any type of organization, not specific to the PSL. It seems to me like people conflate the branch/national not airing dirty laundry in public with them doing some kind of nefarious cover up.

[–] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

I don't know the details, but you do make a good point.

[–] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

~~They're trots so don't ask em about AES but~~ if they're on your ballot it's a virtual guarantee they're your best option.

[–] nala@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

PSL are not trots. PSL supports Cuba, Vietnam, China and the historical USSR.
PSL did branch from a trot organization, which might be why you think this. This is because most surviving leftist organizations in America post WW2 redscare were trot organizations.

Links to some random PSL publication articles to prove my point. https://www.liberationschool.org/category/china-2/

https://www.liberationnews.org/tag/cuba/

https://www.liberationnews.org/how-vietnam-defeated-u-s-imperialism/

https://www.liberationschool.org/theory-and-revolution-addressing-the-break-of-ideological-continuity/

[–] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah thanks for that. I knew they descended from a trot org and a member I know had a pretty disgusting pro-NATO stance on something so I just assumed.

[–] jack@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

If a member of PSL was pro-NATO they are contradicting a fundamental, non-negotiable part of the party line and should be spoken to by local leadership

[–] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

ah now I remember! they were both-sidesing balkanization, placing an emphasis on the bosnian genocide

[–] SpookyGenderCommunist@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

PSL are Marcyites, who are Trots that accidentally stumbled into being MLs.

[–] jack@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

That's historically accurate but doesn't in any way describe the politics or operation of the party today. We are straight up MLs who have very intentionally shed that trot shit a long time ago.

[–] jack@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

PSL published a book last year about why China is good and sent a delegation to meet with Diaz-Canal in Cuba last month

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is incorrect and you should edit your post to reduce the wrecker impact of your comment. You have received enough evidence from others to justify this course of action.

If you need more, listen to PSL's podcast or read their news website. They are very strategically an American party. They do not voice direct and unequivocal support for nations that America is in direct conflict with because it's politically difficult to do that and not get marginalized. If you listen to their talking points, it's clear they support China and Russia against the USA, but they're also from the anti-war movement so they use their anti-war rhetoric to avoid being so obvious about their pro-Russia position vis-a-vis the Ukraine conflict. They don't want people to die. They also don't want to support one capitalist oligarchy over another, but they absolutely support anti-imperialism.

They are also very clearly focused on revolution here in the USA and not focused on a permanent global revolution in every country.

There's basically nothing Trotskyist about them. They aren't ultras, but it can sound like it because they are Americans navigating the brainrot in America caused by American propaganda.

They are a democratic centralist party. They have strict discipline for their members. They have strong vetting. They are building a mass movement informed explicitly by Lenin's writings. Honestly the worst thing about them is that they aren't incorporating enough Mao, Fanon, Ho, and other Global South theories into their organizing.

[–] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

edited, but also maybe chill.

I had a PSL member take a pro-NATO position discussing balkanization with me in a public forum. If you're as demcent as you're touting, if the membership is that rigorously vetted, that's grounds for me to be sus.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, that's pretty sus, I agree. You won't find any official positions of the PSL being pro-NATO. It's so incongruous with the party line that I have to wonder if the person was actually a member of PSL or if their chapter is poorly governed.

[–] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

could be they were overstating their involvment too

[–] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

MY PRESIDENT

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 36 points 1 year ago

"progressive civil war"

Lmao wtf is this shit

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Mr. The 2019 coup in Bolivia wasn’t a coup.

I’ll pass

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Mr. The 2019 coup in Bolivia wasn’t a coup.

Who's that?

[–] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

David Pakman, unless im misreading your question.

[–] HexReplyBot@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

I found a YouTube link in your post. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:

[–] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago

why is the first one wearing a mask? half the face doesn't move except for the random eye twitching