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America has a debt problem. And it’s not getting much attention from the contenders for the White House.

There is $27.8 trillion in debt held by the public. And this year the US is expected to run one of the largest deficits in history, which will only make the debt bigger.

Though everyone knows that spending on entitlement programs, including Social Security, is a big part of the problem, the 2024 presidential nominees are tiptoeing around the issue on the campaign trail. They’ve barely mentioned the deficit, much less offered any substantive solutions.

Spending on Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid could reach 10.3% of gross domestic product in 2024, according to projections from the Office of Management and Budget. That compares with an 8.2% average between 1984 and 2023.

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[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 30 points 1 month ago

Funny how Bloomberg didn’t run this article when Trump was giving away the store. It’s always Democrats who have to pay for Republican spending.

[–] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Spending on Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid could reach 10.3% of gross domestic product in 2024, according to projections from the Office of Management and Budget. That compares with an 8.2% average between 1984 and 2023.

This kind of nonsense pisses me off. Of course these costs are rising. More and more of our population is getting elderly so we need to spend more and more money in these areas. Population growth has also slowed substantially. This means that a larger fraction of our population is older and more in need of medical care and social security. Naturally, these costs are growing as a fraction of GDP since the working population is declining as a fraction of the total population.

President Joe Biden did propose increasing income taxes for those making over $400,000 to raise revenue and boosting the payroll tax to bolster Social Security. But he has rejected making any structural changes to Social Security, a stance that many Democrats share.

And he fucking well should. People spend their lives putting money into social security and now, after Republicans have followed Reagan's starve-the-beast strategy for decades, they want to cut payments to all these people rather than getting rid of their stupid tax cuts that only benefit those hoarding all the nations wealth.

[–] schizo@forum.uncomfortable.business 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

And he fucking well should. People spend their lives putting money into social security

I've always been confused why ANYONE would support any sort of cuts to social security after paying into it for, in some cases, literal decades.

I mean, it's not "free money", it's my fucking money, that I've paid into every paycheck I've ever gotten. Of course I feel "entitled" to it, because, well, I am?

The republicans want to do a rugpull that'd make a crypto bro blush in how fucking brazen it is, and we're supposed to be happy about it?

[–] socphoenix@midwest.social 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Most of those people I’ve met think the cuts will only affect OTHER people…

Some just refuse to think about it while others like my parents are at least honest and expect it to just have an age cutoff that fucks their kids over. Doesn’t matter long as they get theirs basically.

I don't get that either.

I'm not a parent and strongly unlikely to be one, but if I had kids I'd damn well do anything I had to do to make sure their life was better than mine was, not steal anything not nailed down then yank the ladder out from under them.

Especially since the solution is 'stop letting rich people not pay their fair share'. And like, that's not some random talking point for the non americans here: after $168,000 in income we just... don't tax you for social security anymore. If we left the exact same rate in place, but just taxed ALL of everyone's income, we'd not only be solvent, we'd have a fucking scrooge mcduck style moneybin to ensure future generations were taken care of, too.

[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago

I pay more for social security than state and federal taxes combined knowing full well it'll probably be long gone before I'm old enough to collect it.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

National debt is imaginary numbers. It doesn't matter

[–] subspaceinterferents@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

As long as sovereign debt can be serviced, we're good.

[–] morphballganon@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Good thing we have history to examine, eh? Republicans always exacerbate the debt, and Democrats always lessen it.

Meeting adjourned.

[–] tal 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

And it’s not getting much attention from the contenders for the White House.

Well, reducing debt means one or both of:

  1. Spending less.

  2. Taxing more.

Neither are likely very popular points to sell yourself on.

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] OlinOfTheHillPeople@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Only for people who make over $400,000 a year, and only the amount over 400,000.

[–] Loduz_247@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Third option, but it is somewhat risky, which is to create an investment GSE with the objective of reducing the national debt.

[–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Good. It's unimportant.

[–] fubarx@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago
[–] 11111one11111@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

While emphasizing that “debt matters,” Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) recently noted, “we need to rethink our system in a way that is genuinely about investments that pay off over tgrab?

FUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHCK YOU, CUNT. Try making an honest fuckin trade once in your life before lecturing anyone on fiscal responsibility you stupid bitch. The fuckin audacity these asshole politicians have is disgusting.