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[–] kbity@kbin.social 236 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The Fediverse is home to a lot of young, tech-minded people distrustful of major corporations. The younger generations are more likely to come out as transgender due to greater awareness and acceptance of gender identity and dysphoria, and a decentralised, open platform is naturally going to appeal to communists, syndicalists and other left-wingers who don't want some billionaire buying the next website they get comfortable on. And funnily enough, there are a surprising number of trans people in the tech sector, to the point where trans-flag socks have become a meme among programmers.

[–] nodsocket@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago (11 children)

This seems like the most straightforward answer. But it doesn't explain why people on the right haven't come to the fediverse in proportional numbers. I know a lot of right leaning Libertarian communities, and for some reason they like cryptocurrency and FOSS but not the fediverse.

[–] xapr@lemmy.sdf.org 75 points 1 year ago (13 children)

There are right-wing instances of Mastodon (gab, truth, and others), not to mention many Pleroma ones, as well as Lemmy (exploding heads, and probably others). It's just that they get quickly defederated by everyone else for various valid reasons (usually hate and abuse, sometimes even child porn), so you don't get to interact with them much. They just get stuck in their own bubble.

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[–] karmiclychee@sh.itjust.works 46 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

proportional

Maybe they just don't have the actual numbers you'd expect from their outsized presence in the discourse, when they're not being protected, or facilitated, or actively promoted by engagement algorithms or the individuals who own the other platforms.

(I'm pretty sure this is the case, but I'm too lazy to get sources just this minute)

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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 209 points 1 year ago (15 children)

Trans people and communists are nearly half of software dev. The other half are furries.

[–] Deuces@lemmy.world 67 points 1 year ago

How dare you imply most software devs aren't all three simultaneously

[–] oatscoop@midwest.social 50 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They're 90% of FOSS development. Also, their "daily driver" is an old thinkpad running linux -- often Arch.

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[–] Astroturfed@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Based off the amount of fury porn communities I've blocked, half seems very, very conservative. What's the old joke, if a bomb went off at a fury convention the Internet would go down?

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[–] SouthernCanadian@sh.itjust.works 35 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Not sure why this is such a common perception. Most of the software devs I know are pretty average people other than being computer nerds. I met one trans CS student in college but that was it.

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[–] Emperor@feddit.uk 156 points 1 year ago (7 children)

That'll be partly down to the communist and transgender coders who helped lay the foundations for this place.

[–] OctopusKurwa@lemm.ee 85 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I for one welcome our trans communist overlords

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[–] Chozo@kbin.social 147 points 1 year ago (1 children)

it's amazing what you see when algorithms aren't deciding it for you.

[–] sic_1@feddit.de 51 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Maybe it's that homophobia and transphobia are so dominant on more popular platforms that there is a natural migration towards more free and liberal platforms. I always wondered why you see more and more racism, hate and such degeneracy the larger a platform becomes.

[–] Fisk400@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I think it's because leftists are, as a group, a lot less toxic and hateful. They are happy to be a tiny community chatting with each other about being a trans furry communist all day every day.

The right on the other hand are, as a group, a bunch of anti social losers who thrive on hating and complaining about stuff. That's not a sustainable platform because it's either a miserable experience or it gets shut down for hate speech so they migrate around and attach themselves to heathier communities and complain about those instead.

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[–] cerement@slrpnk.net 113 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Why is there such a large amount of Nazi, fascist, conservative, Republican, and bootlicking related posts on other platforms compared to the Fediverse?

[–] Dran_Arcana@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago

Ad revenue is proportional to engagement; outrage drives repeat engagement.

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[–] paenusbreth@lemmy.world 97 points 1 year ago

The issue I have with this is that publicly expressing their love for others is an extremely natural and normal thing to do. Talking openly about your opposite-gender spouse, kissing or holding hands with your partner, going out for a nice date - whatever. These are all totally normal things which people won't blink at when a heterosexual couple is doing it, yet LGBT people can still be discriminated against for these behaviours. That's not even getting into trans or gender-non-conforming people, who can be discriminated against simply for existing and presenting the way they do.

I don't just want to ensure that LGBT people are free from explicit legislative discrimination. I want them to be free from social discrimination as well. Social consequences for being publicly gay are not acceptable, even if people aren't in favour of more open forms of discrimination.

[–] TootSweet@latte.isnot.coffee 80 points 1 year ago (9 children)

We might be able to answer the question better if you named the "other platforms" you're referring to. It doesn't seem like an unusual amount compared to, for instance, how much communist/transgender content Reddit had back when Reddit wasn't as evil as it is now. (Who knows what Reddit's like now. I haven't been back since the two-day boycott over the API pricing.)

All that said, some of the communist content here is tankies. (That is, authoritarian communists who spout CCP or other authoritarian communist regimes' propaganda.) Some of the Lemmy instances (like latte.isnot.coffe and lemmy.ml) are run by tankies.

That said, a lot of the communist content here is grass-roots anarcho-communist advocacy by people like me who ideologically lean that way.

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[–] kool_newt@lemm.ee 79 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (19 children)

I find myself to be a stereotypical Lemmy user. I'm trans, (anarcho-) communist, a programmer and Linux engineer.

I'm older, I transitioned (ugh I hate that word) about 2 decades ago. I got into computers consciously and very intentionally. I knew I'd need to support myself soon and spent a good amount of time thinking what industries or companies might be willing to hire someone like me (this was even before trans people had employment rights in California!). I chose computers because I felt like it was an industry where someone might hire me, I could make enough to survive and pay for surgery, and because it seemed one where my co-workers would be less likely to beat me up or kill me.

When it comes to communism, I have a hunch that being trans forces you to think about society and why you are not accepted, who is causing your troubles and why. It seems apparent why someone so low on the social acceptance ladder as a trans person would be repelled by exploitation based zero-sum systems and attracted to systems that would allow them to survive and thrive.

Linux seemed just fundamentally awesome to me. You mean people could just choose to get together, coordinate, and build one of the most complex things to exist on the planet and give it away for free? Sign me up! I think Lemmy and the Fediverse are attractive for similar reasons.

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[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 68 points 1 year ago (4 children)

People that are naturally drawn to fediverse tend to be:

  • self-hosting enthusiasts excited to run their own social media platforms, which are tend to be big supporters of FOSS
  • left-leaning idealists who want to get away from big corps platforms
  • pirates (arrr)

So it's not that surprising to see plenty of anti-capitalism and transgender stuff here if you consider this demographics.

[–] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hey it's me, all the things in this list lol

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[–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 66 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Because the Lemmy software was developed by communist-leaning developers and they have, prior to the reddit exodus, had the biggest communities. As for the transgender related content, the transgender community was one of the largest to leave reddit for Lemmy.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 27 points 1 year ago (9 children)

And if you're transgender and your choices for typical ideology for cisgender community members are communist or fascist, the choice is generally going to be communist.

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[–] laylawashere44@lemmy.blahaj.zone 62 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The more transgender related posts are mostly because 196 a very large queer and especially trans friendly subreddit closed permanently and migrated wholesale to a instance called blahajzone. If you look at r/place right now you can tell the absence of 196 by the fact there are very few queer symbols on r/place compared to last year where 196 and associated subs had coordinated artworks and defense campaigns for their flags. I'm pretty sure last time they managed to take over the American flag and force it to move to another spot on the canvas. Now there are two small flags and nothing else.

[–] niktemadur@kbin.social 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Potato - potatoe, tomato - tomatoe.

You see 196 as

queer and especially trans friendly

I see it as a garden of shitposting delights.

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[–] TheRealBob@lemmy.world 61 points 1 year ago (11 children)

There aren’t nearly as many right wingers and fascists as social media makes you believe. Speaking as a Mastodon instance admin, every single time we’ve had huge waves of bot and/or troll signups they’ve been very clearly right wing accounts (almost all had similar bios) that almost immediately started interacting with and boosting each other as well as harassing trans and queer people.

The thing about the fediverse is that it can’t be manipulated the way centralized social media can. So what happens is that it gets handled very quickly. They get banned and their instances get defederated so all they can do is shout into the void. They’re not, nor have they ever been, the majority by any stretch of the imagination, and most people have absolutely no desire to hear what they have to say at all.

On top of that, a huge number of them are grifters, and they won’t get any engagement here. They can’t get the kind of viral outrage they need because most people aren’t even seeing their posts.

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[–] sleepmode@lemmy.world 59 points 1 year ago

Because the people that flock to these platforms first are usually technically adept nerds and free thinkers.

[–] klay@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago

in a word, intersectionality. you're getting people who were already looking for an excuse to ditch reddit and twitter, and of that group, you're selecting the ones with the most tech literacy. That tends to overlap people with progressive politics.

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I don't know if it's just Reddit and Lemmy, but it feels like the internet in general just started trending heavily towards transgender-related stuff in the past few years. Just references to Femboys and trans flags all over the place, it's kind of weird how quickly it gained such traction. I don't have any problem with the trans community, if any of my kids came out as LGBTQ+, I would love them just as much. In high school I literally wore dresses and got beat up and made fun of for being different (more for the punk/goth aesthetic), so I've had some understanding of what they go through, even if I don't identify with any of it personally. I sympathize with what they're going through right now given that an entire political party has decided to turn them into scapegoats.

And I think it's great that they're building a community around themselves and are able to find other people that accept them for who they are, but I find their online communities tend to be incredibly hostile and militant to anybody that is less than completely loyal to the cause. Even just asking questions, giving opinions, or commenting any sort of criticism of their militant behavior gets you banned if you're not 150% supportive. Anything you say is twisted around to make it seem like you're a bigot who completely hates trans people and you're essentially a nazi. It tends to be incredibly negative, like they're looking to be outraged at the slightest provocation. Their tactics tend to be incredibly heavy-handed, just absolutely no tolerance for Cisgender people not understanding their lifestyle.

So I've just started blocking trans and furry content because I just don't care to see it. It's just not my bag, nothing against people that are in that community. The same way nobody else would really care to see if I made posts glorifying heterosexuality and being a boring vanilla binary white guy, I'm just not interested in celebrating lifestyle choices simply for the sake of celebrating it. I'll go to LGBTQ+ weddings and I'll defend anybody's right to love whomever they want or be whatever they want to be, but I just have other things I'm more interested in reading about. Board games, science, technology, politics, climate change, graphic design, art, music, movies, and whatever else other than someone else's sexual identity. Maybe that makes me closed-minded, I don't know, I thought the point was equality?

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[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Gays are to Boomers as Trans is to Gen-X ers. I've been wondering what the marginalized group Millennials are going to have trouble with. My current guess is Poly, but that is just a guess at this point.

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[–] mojo@lemm.ee 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Trans are bullied and socially ostrichized irl, so they tend to be terminally online. A lot of trans are also coders. They manage to find themselves in to pretty much every obscure techy social space online, they don't got anything else going on irl.

[–] fiat_lux@kbin.social 33 points 1 year ago (8 children)

ostrichized

I just want to take a moment off topic to say how much I love this new word (malaprop?).

The word you were hoping for is 'ostracized', but ostrichized is a fun enough mental image that it should be its own word too.

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[–] Noranydroptodrink@infosec.pub 24 points 1 year ago

My assumption is that the bots, shills, astroturfers and other corporate interests haven’t arrived in sufficient quantities yet.

It’s not that there’s more here, just the volume of noise out there is far greater and most of the content generated is for parties who gain no advantage from posing as part of either of those communities.

[–] amaranthe@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

because the fediverse is a place where the admins choose to federate with whoever they want and get to choose what are the policies in their own instances. so you got a chance to stop the hatred and harrasment trans people are victim of on other social plateform where the company don't want to dive into "political" stuff

it's kind of a safe space online for trans and lgbt for that reason

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