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submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by ginza@lemmy.ml to c/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
 

A niche band from Asia I loved as a teenager disbanded in the early 2000s. Due to legal reasons their work is in forever limbo, no Spotify, official YouTube etc. Best you can get is 2nd hand CDs on online marketplaces for a premium.

One guy was seeding a 4GB torrent over on PirateBay from 2008 with every song, music video, numerous interviews etc. Reasons like this is why pirating needs to stay alive. Legend made me want to seed it with him longterm. Now we're 2 seeders strong.

Keep sailing pirates, and whenever possible please seed.

EDIT: For those asking the band is the Japanese band Malice Mizer. The torrent in question is https://thepiratebay.org/description.php?id=4158529 And I love seeing how a few of you guys know the band and getting hit by nostalgia. Enjoy

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[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 89 points 2 months ago

You should upload it to archive.org too.

[–] Varyag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 53 points 2 months ago (2 children)

We all need to be our own archivists in this day and age. The internet isn't forever, it's a constantly burning Library of Alexandria. I'm glad you found your lost media again.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 months ago (8 children)

Even the Internet Archive is slowly eroding from the bottom :(

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[–] d1tt0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 months ago

this was incredibly profound to me for some reason. you're spot on, an eternal Alexandria.

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 35 points 2 months ago (2 children)

seeders who continue seeding weeks and month after the download is complete are basically mercy from overwatch

[–] dmention7@lemm.ee 14 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Is that not the normal? I just started sailing again recently, and I legit feel bad having to clear out an old torrent to make room for something new.

[–] themurphy@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I felt the same, but there's just things that's forever popular. I don't mind not seeding, if there's already 200+ doing it.

But for all the niche things, and for personal favorites, I'll seed for a loooong time.

[–] iknowitwheniseeit@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 2 months ago

For popular stuff I stop seeding when I've uploaded 10x the download size. For other stuff I keep it uploading forever.

[–] jabathekek@sopuli.xyz 34 points 2 months ago
[–] Flatfire@lemmy.ca 31 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Can I introduce you to soulseek? I promise it's going to serve way better than torrents for that kind of stuff.

[–] ginza@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 months ago (6 children)

soulseek

I have heard of it, but admittingly know very little about it and its strengths. After a quick search there's a package for my Linux distro so I'll install it when I got some time to deep dive it and get an understanding.

Thank you tho I will have a good look later tonight. If there's anything you think I should read/watch regarding Soulseek shoot it through. Nonetheless I'll continue to seed regardless if I stick with Soulseek.

[–] Flatfire@lemmy.ca 31 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Soulseek is a P2P file sharing system centered around music in particular. It's pretty direct. Unlike a torrent where you'll have multiple seeds for a single source, you're connecting directly to other individuals for the content. It generally operates under the expectation that you're also sharing something, and some users may opt not to allow downloads to people who do not also allow downloads from themselves. The downside to this system is you may need to wait for that person to come online before you can start a download, while with a torrent, other seeders can fill that gap.

It's survived as a pretty big platform for music hoarders to source hard to find material, but it's so dead simple to use and it has a quick and reliable search. Nothing secretive about it, it's basically just another P2P network that has more in common with Napster than the Pirate Bay

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[–] kirk781@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Use nicotine as the client instead. It's arguably more user friendly and also stuffed with features. Most nix distros have it in their repos. You just need to share stuff on Soulseek(primarily music though some people share films as well).

Soulseek is filled to the brim with music, especially flac versions of songs.

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[–] Ilandar@aussie.zone 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's pretty easy to use. The only challenge for newcomers is setting up port-forwarding, since some users won't share their collection with people who have their ports blocked. You don't have to open your ports or share your music collection, but it is leeching and considered a dick move by some.

[–] ginza@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Alright so I already had a quick look, sooner than I intended. Got too excited.

At a glance tho I love what I see. There's an official nicotine+ package in the Pacman repository for Arch Linux so that's a plus. I forwarded the port with no issue, I got a decent network setup so I got fixed internal IPs and could forwarded the port securely as possible.

It also looks like it plays nicely with how I got my NAS setup and how I mount files internally to my PC. This could be a bit of a rabbit hole and a great learning experience for me. Thanks to everyone for the suggestion/tips.

I'll love to self-host this down the line on my server so I can better provide everyone with my files even when my usual PC isn't on.

[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 months ago

I can rly recommend it, especially with Nicotine+

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 months ago

You’ll find the rarest shit on SLSK.

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[–] emhl@feddit.org 3 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I don't really get, why people praise soulseek so much. It lacks the resilience of torrents. There is much cool stuff, but no quality control and structure. And the cool old stuff is artificially locked in order to keep it rare.

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[–] billbennett@piefed.social 29 points 2 months ago

In that context, it's not really piracy, it's cultural preservation.

Sure... I know lawyers say otherwise,

[–] Zoidsberg@lemmy.ca 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The amount of niche old Canadian cartoons I've found thanks to dedicated pirates...

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[–] ChonkaLoo@lemmy.zip 21 points 2 months ago

Yes me too. As bad as humanity seems sometimes, always good to remind yourself of the kindness from the likes of seeders in OP.

[–] texasspacejoey@lemmy.ca 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I was looking for a show and i finally found it. There was 1 seeder and it took forEVER! I now have a ratio of 300. I will not stop sharing that until i have to.

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 months ago

Have a similar torrent, sitting at a ratio of 142 :)

[–] nasi_goreng@lemmy.zip 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Upload them to YouTube or Bilibili. Japanese music fandom tends to archive everything that not available anymore on YouTube and rarely get taken down.

That way, newer generation can discover them. Just like city pop.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

OPs case might have even be easier to solve by using search terms in the respective language. Might not have been the same result and more manual work but maybe satisfactory results.

[–] ginza@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

From what I understand the (Japanese) band official wrote the band name with the Latin alphabet. The band had a slight international presence in France if I'm not mistaken with their 2nd last album getting a limited CD release, so maybe a pirate site catering more to the Japanese or French crowd might have yielded better results in hindsight.

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[–] DeltaTangoLima@reddrefuge.com 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Name the band? Maybe some of us can pitch in.

[–] ginza@lemmy.ml 24 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)
[–] barooboodoo@lemm.ee 14 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I dunno if I would consider the band that launched gackt as niche but I might be living in a bubble of my own making haha

[–] ginza@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Haha you definitely have a point. I love it how the man practically pretends the band never existed. Last i heard he's wanted by Japanese law enforcement and has migrated to Malaysia. There will never be a reunion. :(

[–] barooboodoo@lemm.ee 8 points 2 months ago

Holy shit, I've got some googling to do!

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Daaaamn throwback. They were my friend Sarah (RIP)’s favourite band.

[–] ginza@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 months ago

Hope it brings you good memories. Sorry for your loss. RIP.

[–] lichtmetzger@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 2 months ago

Similar experience: One guy was seeding all of the old uncensored episodes of The Three Investigators and I'm so grateful for that. It's pretty popular here in Germany, but despite that, no one seems to share it. There are episodes on Spotify, but they are censored and some of the music has been replaced with a modern rendition.

[–] gwilikers@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Oooh, what's the band called?

Edit: Malice Mizer. OP answered below.

[–] ikilledtheradiostar@hexbear.net 5 points 2 months ago

Malice Mizer

Wow that name is a blast from the past.

[–] propter_hog@hexbear.net 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yo I'm gonna need some details on that library so I can seed with you. Keeping obscure media alive is my favorite.

[–] fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Meanwhile my torrent of Thee Michelle Gun Elephant is stuck at 31.9% because that's all that's available.

Story of my life with torrents, really. I just want the old and obscure, the stuff you can't find anymore. But it always seems to be all about the latest popular shit, sadly.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Have you tried private trackers?

Edit: or soulseek?

I'm searching on the Seeker app but use Nicotine+ on desktop.

(this is like oldschool p2p, those are live clients and searching at other times may reveal more or less)

[–] weirdo_from_space@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Private trackers are not worth it at all. Getting into main stuff is way too hard and open signups are pure luck. Even people who used top tier private trackers for over a decade now openly admit they wouldn't bother with it if they were starting from scratch today.

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I hear usenet is good for obscure stuff.

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[–] tamagotchicowboy@hexbear.net 5 points 2 months ago

Almost all the films and games I've interacted with came from a little pirate-jammin , otherwise it just wouldn't be accessible for me.

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