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EDIT: For clarification, I feel that the current situation on the ground in the war (vs. say a year ago) might indicate that an attack on Russia might not result in instant nuclear war, which is what prompted my question. I am well aware of the “instant nuclear Armageddon” opinion.

Serious question. I don’t need to be called stupid. I realize nuclear war is bad. Thanks!

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[–] BlackLaZoR@fedia.io 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

what are the likely outcomes?

Putin launches nukes, huge amount of civilians die, russian military is crushed within next few months. NATO wins at the cost of horrible loss of civilians killed by russian nukes. World economy shrinks considerably

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

So, this is the same analysis I read like a year ago. Do you feel that the current situation is not different enough now to indicate an alternate course of events?

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[–] Boozilla@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Eric Schlosser's book, "Command and Control" may be of interest to you. I found it hard to put down.

Daniel Ellsberg's book, "The Doomsday Machine" might come closer to answering your question, but I have not read it.

[–] flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

For more humorous (but still serious) answers try asking in !noncredibledefense@sh.itjust.works

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[–] theywilleatthestars@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago
[–] Steve@startrek.website 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I'm sure they were kept at the same tip top condition as the rest of the russian military complex's equipment.

[–] RecluseRamble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 month ago

Possibly. But even if 99% of their strategic arsenal is junk, they'd still be left with 17 working warheads. Who's gonna risk 17 large cities wiped out?

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[–] vortexal@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I haven't been paying to much attention to the news but I've heard that other, non-NATO, countries have threatened some of the countries that are just simply giving aid to Ukraine. So, I'd assume that those other countries would get involved in some way and just make things worse for everyone.

[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] bouh@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago

Ukraine has no nuclear weapons. Nuclear arsenal is basically meant to face nato/USA in Russia.

Ukraine invading Russia is a humiliation. But it's not a real threat for now. Russia didn't even declared the state of war yet.

I've heard that Russia can't really use atomic bomb against Ukraine because Ukraine has no atomic bombs itself. If it did, it would spark nuclear proliferation by breaking a tabou. And China wouldn't allow that, because they don't want Taiwan to get the bomb.

But nato is an atomic power. Thus, atomic bombs are fair game.

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