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[-] borlax@lemmy.borlax.com 41 points 11 months ago

So the half-cocked product release strategy doesn't work and its time to punish labor for the mistakes of executives.

[-] elscallr@kbin.social 7 points 11 months ago

"punish labor" 😂

They'll find new jobs. Companies have no loyalty to employees and employees have no loyalty to companies. Nobody is in it for love. They got paychecks, now they'll find someone else to give them paychecks. It's transactional.

[-] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 35 points 11 months ago

Do you think that being laid off is a good thing?

The employees are suffering the negative consequences of the leadership's piss-poor decisionmaking, that was their point. Leadership hasn't seen any turnover or resignations, to my knowledge.

Is it so wrong in your mind to expect a little personal responsibility? Or do you find it just that leadership can fuck up consequence-free and shitcan others for their failures?

If that's how you'd run your company, I'd run the other way as both a worker and a consumer.

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[-] AdventureSpoon@kbin.social 37 points 11 months ago

Isnt that like, a usual part in the game development cycle? I've seen news reports like this for over 15 years now. Developer starts with ideas for a new game, small team. Developer starts actual production of game, team grows. Developer realizes how much work there actually is to be done, team grows even further. Game is almost done and in a good state, team starts to shrink since there is no longer enough work for everyone. Part is laid off and part is reassigned to early development of DLC. Game is released, and smaller team is able to do patchwork. Developer starts with idea for new game, cycle repeats.

Perhaps the main reason we havent seen a lot of these news blurbs over the past few years is that A: CDPR is a good punchingbag. Common memory of the target audience hold the bad release of CP2077, so its easy to get back in the habit and haul in these clicks. And B: TripleA game development mas mostly conglomerated into a few big developers/publishers with several teams around the world. That means that when one project winds down, surplus personnel might be easily integrated into a different team that is just winding up. CDPR is one of the few tripleA developers not able to do this (yet).

[-] MJBrune@beehaw.org 28 points 11 months ago

No, this is not really typical for a large studio. I've been in the games industry for 10 years and losing your team every project is a studio killer. No one does this anymore aside from really small indie studios that can't afford to keep the team together. This is not normal for a studio that knows what it's doing.

[-] interolivary@beehaw.org 5 points 11 months ago

This is not normal for a studio that knows what it’s doing.

And CDPR absolutely doesn't. Their games may look pretty but the quality is always absolute dogshit and takes years to patch until it's not a buggy mess

[-] MJBrune@beehaw.org 8 points 11 months ago

Saying that GDPR doesn't know what it's doing is like saying MGM doesn't know what it's doing. They aren't the best in the industry but they've still made some quality products. They know far more about what they are doing than an indie studio that hasn't even released their first game.

[-] Robaque@feddit.it 3 points 11 months ago
[-] interolivary@beehaw.org 3 points 11 months ago

GDPR fans always come up with the most ridiculous excuses for GDPR's terrible quality. "Well at least they're better than an indie that's never released a game", like seriously?

[-] MJBrune@beehaw.org 2 points 11 months ago

I'm not a GDPR fan at all. They put out one game I even got through and it was mediocre. I'm just not a fan of the general gaming public thinking they know more than a studio full of veterans.

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[-] egosummiki@programming.dev 2 points 11 months ago

Not really the case, I was hired 1.5 year ago. There were a bunch of new hires in the meantime and after the layoffs the team looks really similar to what it looked like at the point at which I was hired.

[-] MJBrune@beehaw.org 4 points 11 months ago

If that's the case, it's not the norm. Most studios do not lay people off every release. They get them working on another project immediately. Typically a project starts up as the game is wrapping up for release then people switch gradually.

[-] PenguinTD@lemmy.ca 10 points 11 months ago

It was the "traditional" pipeline and to be honest only good for the "publisher" and some big enough studio, but really aren't that good for those job hunting game devs(and part of the churn and burn culture, can't and won't trying to form union if your turn over is high.)

It is how you get broken games every new release cause the guys that sticks around as supervisor didn't actually code the previous games or know the actual workflow/pipeline that makes the last game(their last touching code/software might be like 10+ years ago), the middle leads etc might have burned out during last crunch and go to next company after their vacation because fuck this crunch thing I have a family, then then newbies wearing shiny shipped game under their belt move to next company for a better position/pay. So no one or very few actually knows how last time things were done and may or may not have a voice during decision making. Every game, you build the team almost ground up and thus, make similar and more mistakes with ever increasing pressure from schedule and scale.

It's not an healthy cycle, it is something that creative industry should break away from.

[-] i_am_hungry@meganice.online 34 points 11 months ago

Like the leadership that forced a release of an unfinished game? Doubt.

[-] interolivary@beehaw.org 32 points 11 months ago

lol since when have business "leaders" ever had to face consequences of their own idiotic decisions?

Management types are often power-tripping narcissistic idiots who'll make dumb-as-fuck decisions, and when things go to shit they'll just fire the people doing the actual work and congratulate themselves on being such savvy businesspeople

[-] SymbolicLink@lemmy.ca 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Yeah, management positions are often filled by people who:

A) Want to get a higher paying job and don't care about the product or the industry necessarily (MBA-circlejerk types).

B) Are Devs/Artists/Creatives that wanted increased compensation, and the only way up was as a manager where they have less aptitude.

Executive staff needs to better integrate management as "servant leaders" within teams, and compensate EVERYONE better

[-] interolivary@beehaw.org 13 points 11 months ago

And C) literal psychopaths.

Our current economic system was essentially designed to elevate the worst of humanity to the most powerful positions, which is why modern industrial society is more or less fucked. What's going on right now is sociopathic executives are bleeding the world dry as fast as they can before things collapse due to increasing social instability brought on by climate change, hoping to live out their lives in some extremely well defended compound while us plebs die in the billions. And make no mistake, they won't have any trouble recruiting bootlickers to be their armed guards.

Humanity is fucked.

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[-] lowleveldata@programming.dev 9 points 11 months ago

Nah. Only the hard workers.

[-] megopie@beehaw.org 8 points 11 months ago

The financialization and corporatization of the game industry and it’s consequences has been a disaster for the average player and game dev.

[-] Catastrophic235@midwest.social 2 points 11 months ago

You should go to Poland and do some Johnny Silverhand type shit.

[-] Mandy@beehaw.org 5 points 11 months ago

That happens literyally every time with these hackjob of a company

[-] Gork@beehaw.org 4 points 11 months ago

Just speculation here, but is this a sign that CDPR is tilting more towards mainstreaming GOG over prioritizing game development? Valve did exactly that with Steam and they very, very rarely release games they make any more.

Steam is a cash cow that literally just prints money for them. I'd imagine CDPR corpos to be salivating over that kind of low maintenance income that comes with owning a large digital distribution gaming platform.

[-] liminis@beehaw.org 2 points 11 months ago

Seems like they tried to grow the company waaaaaaaaay too fast (practically doubled their number of employees since TW3 was released).

Obviously this sucks, but it's good that they're not unceremoniously dropping people with zero notice (looking at you, Activision). Doubt we can expect an environment where gamedev layoffs suddenly disappear, but people actually getting advanced warning about this stuff would be a huge improvement on the industry's norms.

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