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I can’t find any working mastodon instances for porn except adult.18plus.social but i need to pay a fee.. i̵ ̵n̵e̵e̵d̵ ̵f̵r̵e̵e̵ ̵o̵n̵e̵s̵.̵. (EDITED: SORRY) Actually there used to be Sinblr, Humblr, and others.. but they all shut down for some weird reason I don’t understand.. WHAT HAPPENED?

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[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 40 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Let's see if we can put the context clues together.

All of the free ones were shut down. Only the paid one survived.

Well, I can only assume, but since fediverse services are hosted by real humans and not corporations, I'm going to go out on a limb and say they couldn't afford to stay afloat.

Another alternative is that requiring payment is a simple way to ensure that the people using your service are also 18+, since it requires a sign in form, acknowledgement, and then credit card. That helps when the feds come knocking on your door asking why you're letting minors into your service.

[–] schizo@forum.uncomfortable.business 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's also the only real good method of KYC for when the feds come knocking on your door asking why you're letting people who are posting pictures of minors onto your service, and asking-but-not-really who they are.

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 30 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I love the fediverse, but there are a ton of whiny entitled people here who don't understand that regular people are hosting these things with their own money and time. I do host my own Lemmy instance, and it's been one of the most stressful things in my life. I never thought I'd have to register with the federal government as a mandatory CSAM reporter but here I fucking am. Then they go around and say "I need free ones". The fuck you do. If you need free porn and shit go host it yourself, you can have your house raided by the feds for hosting stuff that isn't okay.

[–] schizo@forum.uncomfortable.business 17 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

100%. The risks of running fedi-services that veer off SFW content is immense in a lot of places.

The really terrifying thing that people misunderstand because TV drama is that the feds knocking at your front door is the last step of an investigation, not the first.

If the FBI is knocking on your door wanting to talk about illegal content you're hosting, they've ALREADY served warrants/subpoenas to your hosting providers and ISP and anyone else they think might have useful data, had a PRTT on you for a while watching everything you do online, and have had a prosecutor decide you're someone that they want to prosecute and lock the fuck up.

They're there to see if they can scare you into saying something against your interests, and could maybe change their mind if you can explain what's going on in a way that's protected. Of course, they're much more reasonable than local cops, but seriously: the FBI at your door is the last stop BEFORE you end up in federal prison for the next decade.

and all I wanted was to host a community about Taylor Swift, and yet here we are.

[–] Hardy@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago

Those alphabet boys are making all our lives a bit too nerve wracking…

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Is it not possible to have the hosting done by a company off-site? Is it a cost thing? Or is it that you didn't know how deep the rabbit hole of complexity goes?

Sounds to me like it'd be easier to just hire some company and say "You do it." I would never want the hassle of it being "in my house".

I did, as soon as I learned about the CSAM I moved to the cloud. I like hosting myself, but that moves a possible seizure of assets from my house to my cloud account. Still, I'm sure coming to my house isn't out of the question.

[–] Hardy@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago

Ok i understand now… thank you for your effortful reply…

[–] Hardy@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago

Ok i understand now thank you for your effortful reply

[–] Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me 21 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Porn is often really high traffic, which is expensive to run. But a lot of people are weirdos too and tend to push it to the border of legality, which can be challenging for admins if your users keep posting lolis even if it's not allowed. And they'll scream at you "it's not technically illegal".

The other thing people do a lot with porn is post stuff from sketchy sources or repost paid content for free stealing from OnlyFans pages and the big porn studios. And lately, AI generated porn of non-consenting celebrities. And of course now the increasing pressure to make sure to keep minors out or heaven forbid they're shown trans porn.

It's expensive to store all that porn, it's insanely expensive to distribute it, you need lawyers on standby for the firehose of DMCA reports, you need a solid team of moderators scrubbing the site as fast as possible for CSAM, or run AI tools that needs a lot of fast hardware to run at any decent speed (you need to analyze every frame of a video, for example).

It's just expensive as fuck overall and that's why a lot of the porn sites have the sketchiest ads ever, and that's because you can't run regular ads as most advertisers don't want to be shown next to questionable content.

On the fediverse you have the added challenge that ideally, you scrub things before they get federated due to federation bugs. Or you risk being defederated which you probably will anyway as most admins just don't want to deal with it.

[–] Hardy@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 weeks ago

Ok i understand now thank you for your effortful reply

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The other thing people do a lot with porn is post stuff from sketchy sources or repost paid content for free stealing from OnlyFans pages and the big porn studios.

And they're doing gods work!

[–] Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me 6 points 3 weeks ago

From a user's perspective, yes, but as an instance admin that's also a DMCA nightmare.

That's a great example of the eternal fight between mods and users that ultimately drives admins away: users feel entitled to post that stuff, and mods have to take it down. The user is anonymous and possibly from a country with very lax laws, so they're protected. The admins have to pay for the servers with real money and their real identity, and thus also an easy target for lawyers.

[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

i need free ones

[–] rglullis@communick.news 11 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] Hardy@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago

If i had that extra money I would pay , honest..

[–] sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That's a Nostr relay, nothing to do with the Fediverse.

[–] astro_ray@piefed.social 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Are these relays similar to fediverse instances?

[–] sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yup. Pretty much the same thing but on a different network.

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al 1 points 3 weeks ago

Exactly! To say it's very right wing would be an understatement.

[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Run your own.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Moons OP

That doin' anything for ya?