I tried to stem the disinfo in the other ootl thread, but the amount of of rage bait and general vegan hate was off the scale. Really disappointing showing by lemmings.
See you on the flipside.
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I tried to stem the disinfo in the other ootl thread, but the amount of of rage bait and general vegan hate was off the scale. Really disappointing showing by lemmings.
See you on the flipside.
It was quite the "here we go again with the vegans" post. Just a ton of redditors using it as a space to whine about veganism as usual.
Thank you. I saw you in the meme post getting torn to shreds. I couldn't believe how upset everybody got in spite of how tame your comments were
Thank you. That argument with PugJ was hurtful to see.
Thanks for the shoutout! The power move was a clear violation on the side of Rooki. Words and other fluff aside, the new rule additions are the best indication of not only the lack of change but also doubling down on Rooki's original position, as described in further detail in my recent comments.
Once I've made the last comments and it's been a few days since the Lemmy.World announcements, I will fully migrate to lemmy.zip because of this incident, so going to my user page on here should make it easy for anyone curious about the events to get a much clearer picture.
lemmy.zip
Good choice!
You are a saint <3 seriously thank you.
Hello,
I followed the situation from afar, good luck with !vegan@vegantheoryclub.org !
note, not federated with .world, make a local account)
Having a look at the instances page, it seems you defederated, which makes sense based on the current events. Lemm.ee and SJW still seem federated, so hopefully this might give an incentive to people to migrate from LW to other instances and spread Lemmy users a bit more.
Dbzer0 as well
Thanks for all you've contributed. I hope the other communities will be under a less constant barrage of people coming in bad faith.
My most drastic mod measure I've taken @vtc is gently explaining to a user that some stuff about their posts were a bit speciest.
World seems to have an anonymously high proportion of users who just browse all and post without sensitivity to community and rules. I strongly recommend moving to an instance that doesn't federate with them just personally.
Yeah, after I blocked the .ml instances, all of the problematic users I've noticed have been world. Might just be from the sheer number, but it certainly does get old.
A third of the total LW users, no surprises there are a few bad apples
Haha that matches this statistic:
The majority of people will score fairly low on the dark triad, but about a third will have elevated levels significantly above average. The majority of people with these elevated dark traits are unlikely to be criminals, although they may be unpleasant to be around. “These are people who probably have quite high self-confidence, are quite bolshy, quite assertive; people who get their way,” says Heym. “They might not be the friendliest people and they do things that are good for their own goals even if that means overstepping others.”
I strongly recommend moving to an instance that doesn’t federate with them just personally.
The issue is that out of the 100 most active communities, 57 are on LW. Content is already scarse, without LW it's really quiet
Multiple accounts? I have like 7
Yes. Just avoid voting for yourself, it's rude.
I do too, but most of the users probably stick to one as it's more practical
I'm a boomer with insane takes like "having an account per forum is normal" and "handing over your entire digital identity to an untrusted third party is ridiculous" but I know we're dying out.
Lol lemmy.world is a u/spez run reddit wannabe, apparently. There doesn't seem to be much real integrity there.
I feel like most of the mods on c/vegan understand that, which is why their accounts are with other instances.
However, going to hexbear and .ml are probably mistakes. That's a step down from .world, there are better instances out there. Hint hint.
vegantheoryclub.org is vegan run.
Also personally I've had issues with precisely one user on hexbear (the one who accused me of being db0 in disguise lol) and none from ml. I don't always agree politically, but that's true for every lemmy instance.
Tbh I have difficulty understanding the drama around them. Hexbear in particular is fantastic for vegans (vtc aside) as their COC specifically requires certain vegan-forward stances, which they recognise as part of a liberation struggle.
Hexbear is fine until you openly disagree with them. When you do that you get banned for vexatious reasons.
Hexbear is also an oxymoron in itself, supporting Putin's Russia while also claiming to support LGBTQ+ rights. Frankly, it's a bit of a honeypot.
lemm.ee is lovely, meanwhile :D Federated with almost everyone, no bullshit, and an admin developer who knows his stuff and supported other instance admins when the shit hit their fans (meanwhile his instance was already immune).
Also, Estonia gained its liberation from the Soviet Union literally by singing.
one user on hexbear (the one who accused me of being db0 in disguise lol)
omg. if anyone had any idea what my pre-account-creation exchange with db0 was about, and how you and I have subsequently interacted...
I try to stay out of explicitly vegan spaces, which I think was part of what I promised them when I was granted and account, but it is hilarious to think that you are db0.
Yeah, I'm way too cool.
you know this might be my last chance to ban you and I'm kinda tempted to. Just one act of pure mod abuse, just for myself. as a treat.
exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation ... and cruelty
I am hoist on mine own petard.
So happy .world had serious tech issues sometime after the exodus. I had my first account there, it was a bit of pain to move as I used it for a little, but totally worth it in the long run it seems
They did, and then the lemm.ee dev came to their rescue to tell them how they should have set things up (like he did) :D
And these days it's trivially easy to move accounts between instances.
It is these days. A year ago I had to subscribe to everything manually again.
Creating a new community over at !vegan@vegantheoryclub.org and !vegan@slrpnk.net seems good however I would like to make recommendations against lemmy.ml and hexbear.net as they are known to host tankies and are heavily biased against anti-CCP and Russian(Putin) dissidents.
May I perhaps suggest mander.xyz and or sopuli.xyz as better alternatives?
The Solarpunk guys have made a post including info about the situation here
https://slrpnk.net/post/12925536
!vegan@slrpnk.net could be the alternative community
I am the vegan extremist who banned Rooki and am the catalyst of this. The amount of shit you get for volunteering for a job no-one wants to do fucking sucks. I really appreciate the gratitude that's expressed from bloodmouths especially /s
Lemmy seems to harbor more resentment towards vegans than Reddit does, which is truly an incredible feat. Reactionaries, carnist apologists, debatemebros, are in no short order here, and have been circlejerking about this for two weeks now. An outstanding advertisement for places like vegantheoryclub.org, completely free from carnist vitriol.
I'm sorry to the vegans that have been affected by this. I tried to make this place a vegan place, but it is apparent that the powers that be are in opposition to this. Thanks for putting your trust in me, and thanks for the other moderators here <3
Be kind to all Earthlings.
Hi, naeva. Would you and Hamid consider re-federating with World? It's not just that I don't want to and probably wouldn't juggle multiple accounts just for a couple communities, but moreso that segregating the main vegan sub away from the biggest instance by an order of magnitude means that it can't be seen by any of the actual good-faith LW users.
If you did, I would volunteer to be a moderator, although I understand that doesn't nearly offset the induced moderation burden. I'd volunteer to moderate here on the LW instance, but especially with the sort of undue pressure from administration being imposed on it combined with being on my own, I'm not sure that I could do it effectively.
I don't run vtc, and I think Hamid is probably more likely to eat his own teeth than refederate.
DBzero is federated, and a widely federated instance. The admin has a sense of humour at least so you could do worse than signing up there if you want to see world stuff.
In that case, if you're willing to reopen the LW community here, I'd moderate it. I'm sure it'd be difficult at first. I wouldn't ask you to do anything further here.
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law
I’d volunteer to moderate here on the LW instance,
That's nice of you, please note that moderation only completely works from the instance the community is hosted on. Reports are currently not propagated for instance
Honestly I was hoping y'all would take this approach. As I said in my comments over there. LW truly is reddit
additionally !vegan@lemmy.ml, !vegan@slrpnk.net, and !vegan@hexbear.net are well moderated and run.
Hexbear is a raging dumpster fire, ML is a smouldering dumpster fire, and your first recommendation isn't federated with the largest Lemmy instance. Not a good sign at all.