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[–] oakey66@lemmy.world 21 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

It's important to understand that this is only because the hostages aren't returned. If every hostage was returned, Israel would be looking for every opportunity to level Gaza and further displace Palestinians in the West Bank. Israelis rioted for the right of soldiers to rape prisoners.

Edit: Israelis rioted instead of Israel.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 34 points 3 months ago (2 children)

You cannot assume the people protesting here are the same as the people in that riot. That is not fair to them.

[–] oakey66@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago (9 children)

As a Jew who fled the USSR in the 1980s, I fully co-sign Norman Finklestein‘s (a Jewish intellectual and scholar on the subject who lost his family to the Nazi holocaust) assessment that Israel is a sick society.

In October, 58% Israelis polled said that Israel is using too little firepower in Gaza.

In December, they were polled and asked to what extent should Israel take into account the suffering of the Palestinian civilian population. Over 80% said to a little extent.

https://truthout.org/articles/polls-show-broad-support-in-israel-for-gazas-destruction-and-starvation/

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[–] Orbituary@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

While I agree with you, I can't entirely discount /u/oakey66. History has proved it for decades.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I can't discount that there are plenty of Israeli bigots who would love to see Palestine wiped out, sure. But let's not pretend they're a hive mind. And maybe not tar the people doing this with the same brush as the ones rioting over rapists being imprisoned.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

If there are dissenting voices in Israel they need to speak up. And if voices within Israel are speaking up they need to be amplified.

All dissent I've heard has come from the diaspora.

[–] Kudusch@startrek.website 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

“Without the return of the hostages we will not be able to end the war, we will not be able to rehabilitate ourselves as a society,” Ron Tomer, president of the Manufacturers’ Association of Israel. Te me, “Rehabilitation” implies a level of dissent with Netanyahu’s actions.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

I mean, I see what you are saying, but that is pretty rhetorically light. I can see this as maybe the start of something, but I think what we're seeing out of Israel warrants a more focused and directed conversation.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Then maybe you should, I don't know, click on the link at the top of this article and look at the photos.

Or possibly just read the headline of the post you're commenting in.

For fuck's sake...

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (26 children)

They are protesting the retrieval of the hostages; not the genocide of the Gazan people. As far as I know, there are almost no voices in Israel speaking out against the genocide of the Gazan people.

Maybe you should read the article.

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[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If you want to believe this, its on you to show us it. The entire thread obviously knows much more about whats going on in Israel and all we've gotten from you is your projection of how you wish things were.

If this opposition to the Israeli led genocide exists within Israel show us.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Sure, right after I show you how I don't have dual loyalties to America and Israel, right? I have to show people that one all the time.

Of course, a lot of times, they don't believe me anyway.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (14 children)

You are making a claim for the existence of a thing. No one else made that claim. We are asking for evidence of that claim. I've looked for evidence. I am not finding any evidence of a "don't genocide the Gazans" movement within Israel. I can find evidence outside of Israel.

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[–] Kudusch@startrek.website 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This is conjecture as there are continuing anti-war protests in Israel by a number of different actors and groups, e.g.:

In May 2024, 1,400 academics signed a petition calling for an end to the war Israel–Hamas war protests in Israel, Wikipedia

In my opinion, the way you phrase your comment crosses into antisemitic narratives as the comment implies (at least in my reading) that all the people protesting are anti Palestine. Please note I’m not saying that you are in any way antisemitic. It just irks me how that comment is phrased

[–] oakey66@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

I’m Jewish. Go back to policing someone else.

[–] A_A@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Two million Palestinians would vomit on your post if they had something to eat. (thanks @oakey66)

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

THIS is how you protest, people! Good for them!

[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee -1 points 3 months ago

These Jews in Israel are ANTI SEMITIC!

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