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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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According to the video, a minor answered the door after the deputy rang the bell. Captions in the video say the minor closed the door after seeing the deputy, only for the deputy to open the door and let himself in.

After Shirey points at the deputy, he grabs her and pulls her onto the front porch before putting her in handcuffs. The Sheriff's Department says she was ultimately booked into the Cois Byrd Detention Center for resisting arrest and contributing to the delinquency of a minor.

"This incident occurred over a month before being posted to social media and only days before the arraignment of the individual arrested for delaying/obstructing an investigation and contributing to the delinquency of minors," the Sheriff's Office said in a statement.

All body-worn camera footage has been obtained, and the Sheriff's Office says it will conduct a thorough investigation to determine if discipline is warranted.

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[–] finley@lemm.ee 78 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Sovereign citizen cop. That’s a new one.

[–] aodhsishaj@lemmy.world 46 points 2 months ago

They're specifically NOT targeting the best and brightest

https://reason.com/2013/05/01/court-oks-barring-smart-people-from-beco/

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago

Time to melt some silver dollars into bullets

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 62 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Oh boy, I wonder if the Sheriff's Office will determine if the Sheriff's deputy warrants discipline...

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 25 points 2 months ago

Protect and serve (our own)

[–] borth@sh.itjust.works 55 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"They opened the door and ran from me" (pointing at the minor). So just opening the door is enough for them to force their foot in and suddenly, "I'm allowed in because you opened the door and my foot is inside already". Then they wonder why no one would want to open the door to them 🤦. Gotta teach the kids to talk through the door, I guess.

[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

Last week some cops got killed and I didn't give a fuck. In fact I made a joke about it. I'm at the point that I'm happy when these fuckers get theirs

[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 51 points 2 months ago

Didn't realize police work on vampire rules... Hell vampires are more respectable

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 34 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What the fuck? They can just... do that? Literally some third world countries are better at protecting their citizens than this (not mine though).

[–] Spiralvortexisalie@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So ymmv and I am NAL, but under case law there is what is known as the “Payton Threshold” so named after Payton v. New York, 445 U.S. 573 (1980) (which while applying nationwide, the details vary by jurisdiction). The generally accepted rules, iirc, is that once a police officer is allowed into a home (even by only an inch) they are essentially free to detain anyone in the home and a perform a limited search (generally of anything in plain sight and/or in grab-able distance to the arrestee). Based on the circumstances, I am assuming this is what the sheriff was trying to reference by saying once he's through that door he has more power.

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 38 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Except he gained entry illegally without a warrant, probable cause (from the sound of it), or consent.

Any lawyer should be able to get the case thrown out. But consequences for abuse of authority are far more elusive.

[–] Spiralvortexisalie@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I doubt it is that simple, especially as noted the sheriff said the child ran from him, that triggers two things, whether it was exigent circumstance (child was in danger, he ran after them) or that the actual running gave probable cause to believe they were an elusive suspect. Both things have been upheld, but they would probably go with the first because its a child, and well “won’t somebody please think of the children!.” This may be alot of things but an easy dismissal it would not be.

[–] sudo 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The child WAS in danger, as made evident by the illegal forced every into their home.

[–] Spiralvortexisalie@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I am not saying you are wrong, just legally the cop could make the argument for Exigent circumstances and easily win.

[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

This is why it's suggested to talk to them through the door, on a door camera, or through a window.

Basically treat them like vampires. If you value your blood staying inside your body, never invite them inside.

[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 30 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This is why it's suggested to only talk to them through the door, on a door camera, or through a window with the blinds down.

Basically treat them like vampires. If you value your blood staying inside your body, never invite them inside.

The problem is the cop wasn't allowed in and barged in.

[–] Sorgan71@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

Bros a vampire