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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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A Texas prisoner who is facing execution having been sent to death row on the basis of “shaken baby syndrome”, a child abuse theory that has been widely debunked as junk science, has had his petition to the US supreme court denied.

The country’s highest court issued its denial on Monday morning giving no explanation. Robert Roberson, 56, who was sent to death row in 2003 for shaking his two-year-old daughter Nikki to death, had appealed to the justices to take another look at his case focusing on the largely discredited forensic science on which his conviction was secured.

The court’s decision leaves Roberson’s life in jeopardy. Having come within four days of execution in 2016, he has already exhausted appeals through Texas state courts and must now rely on the mercy of the Republican governor Greg Abbott who rarely grants clemency.

“Robert Roberson is an innocent father who has languished on Texas’s death row for 20 years for a crime that never occurred and a conviction based on outdated and now refuted science,” the prisoner’s lawyer, Gretchen Sween, said.

Sween added: “To lose a child is unimaginable. To be falsely convicted of harming that child is the stuff of nightmares.” Nikki died in hospital on 1 February 2002 after she fell into a comatose state in Roberson’s home in Palestine, Texas. Pediatric doctors detected symptoms including brain swelling which at the time were considered to be certain proof of child abuse and violent shaking.

Largely on the basis of that evidence, Roberson was sentenced to death.

In the intervening years, however, new evidence has been uncovered that suggests that not only is Roberson potentially innocent but that the crime for which he was convicted of never took place. Leading scientists have questioned the reliability of shaken baby syndrome, both as a medical diagnosis and as a forensic tool in criminal prosecutions, pointing to more than 80 alternative causes that can explain the symptoms without violence having occurred.

At least 32 people have been exonerated for crimes based on shaken baby syndrome forensics. Last month, an appeals court in New Jersey ruled that the theory was “junk science” and “scientifically unreliable”.

In Nikki’s case, several of the alternative causes that scientists have identified for the symptoms linked to shaken baby syndrome have been found to apply to the toddler. The girl had been ill with a fever of 104.5F (40.3C) shortly before she collapsed, had undiagnosed pneumonia, and had been given medical pills that are no longer considered safe for children as they can be life-threatening.

At his 2003 trial, Roberson was portrayed by prosecutors as a cold and calculating father who displayed no emotion. After his conviction, though, the inmate was diagnosed with autism which put those qualities in a completely different light. ...

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[–] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 71 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Abolish the death penalty.

Period.

[–] JackFrostNCola@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I dont care how much someone may deserve death for their actions i beleive

  1. Life imprisoment and loss of liberty is a better punishment as they have to live with their actions and regret for the rest of their miserable lives
  2. The fact that people can and definately DO get wrongly convicted and the chance of taking someones life away without the slim, but possible, chance of finally being exonorated is horrifying.
[–] HonoraryMancunian@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

\3. A civilised society doesn't have the right to take a life for any reason other than last-ditch self-defence

\4. A life sentence is cheaper than the death penalty

(The latter point pales in comparison to the previous one imo, but it's good to stick in there for those who don't find life so sacrosanct as the rest of us)

(Edit: I don't know how to make bulletpointed numbers start from not 1 without having backslashes visible)

[–] CoderKat@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

5. The backslash goes before the dot, not the number. 5\.

[–] HonoraryMancunian@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
  1. Test

7. Thank you

[–] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 year ago

⬆️

Two extremely valid and powerful points made.

[–] Armok_the_bunny@lemmy.world 58 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Looks like it's not even the police's fault this time, just the court system's. Since according to the article the detective who led the case against him is now calling for a review of his case in light of new developments. Don't get me wrong, fuck the police, but when one does something right should they not be encouraged.

[–] MaxVoltage@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

that cop cant sleep at night like most crooked folks

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Well, the supreme court is filled with republicans who do not have the best track records when it comes to understand (or take seriously) anything related to science. I would not be surprized if some of them believed in creationism, homeopathy, astrology, or similar junk.

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

much like the clothing brand, and the pizza, "supreme" here is not a mark of quality.

[–] Sethayy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hey now all pizzas are valid and supreme

[–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

My "fat man's credo" is:
Even shitty pizza is pizza.

[–] MaxVoltage@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

LPT: if your a man never be alone with anyone who is not also a man. Anything can be made up or invented against you

[–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Thank you, Vice President Pence!

[–] PeterPoopshit@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Straight out of the Surviving in Texas handbook

[–] magnetosphere@kbin.social 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

From the headline, I thought he was put on death row for teaching or otherwise perpetuating junk science. The real story is much more depressing.

It’s a shame he’s in Texas. This case has two things going for it that conservatives absolutely love: junk science and the death penalty.

[–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I need an editor and nominate you -- tweaked a word in the headline, and now it makes better sense.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Being able to edit post titles is great

[–] Iunnrais@lemm.ee 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This makes me literally, not figuratively, feel ill. And I feel powerless to help.

[–] Alterforlett@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Same. That was a tough read.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wait. Shaken baby syndrome isn't real?

[–] nelly_man@lemmy.world 59 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, it's a real thing. The issue here is that the doctors in 2002 believed that the brain swelling that they observed in his child was a clear sign of shaken baby syndrome. However, since then, we've learned that the same swelling could be caused by dozens of other things that he would have no culpability for. So with present day understandings, they can't even say that a crime occurred, let alone that he was guilty of it.

[–] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Even if he did, better to lock him up for life than kill him. Not like he is gonna shake a baby in prison.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Texas might be liable to actually send a baby to prison.

[–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Excited diaper delirium, will be the charge.

[–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] snooggums@kbin.social 43 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Shaking a child can cause the symptoms.

The symptoms can also have other causes.

That means the symptoms being used as a basis of conviction without supporting evidence that the person actually shook the baby is the junk science. Like how a stress detector does measure stress, but it is not a lie detector because stress does not indicate whether someone is lying.

[–] xanu@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

to cause the symptoms by shaking a child, one would have to shake the child extremely violently, with forces comparable to being in a car crash. You really have to have the intent to kill to cause the levels of brain injuries described in SBS.

A lot of these kinds of convictions are because a parent or caretaker admitted to trying to shake the baby to wake it up after it was already unconscious, due to an accident or the baby just falling ill suddenly. in the particular case, the baby slipped from the fathers hands after a bath and hit its head against the toilet. a terrible tragedy, but not murder. and since he was autistic and didn't display the "proper" emotional response, nurses even went so far as accusing him of sexually assaulting the baby beforehand on no other evidence than the fact they didn't like the cut of his jib. Now the state will murder him for that

[–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The symptoms can also have other causes.

Sure. But " a child abuse theory that has been widely debunked as junk science" is over-egging the case. Shaken baby syndrome itself does not appear to be junk science. In this case, however it appears that the symptoms observed could quite possibly have other causes. I don;t know enough about the case to judge.

[–] thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

yes, but the "junk science" behind it was that they were throwing anyone who's child has those symptoms in jail because the law said there couldn't be any other cause. that's what's been thrown out.

[–] Smk@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Jesus Christ that's depressing lol. Shaken baby are a real thing though. When parents are exausted and their baby can't stop crying, that's something that can happen. If you ever are in this situation, just leave the baby crying and get out of your house. It's not your fault the baby cry, that's what they do sometimes and there's nothing you can do. Hopefully, this man is innocent and won't die because that would be a real tragedy.

[–] Squirrel@thelemmy.club 3 points 1 year ago

I never understood why they emphasized, over and over, "do not shake the baby" until I had a baby that would not. stop. crying.

[–] glitch1985@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Great advice. No baby has ever died to my knowledge from crying too much.