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[–] milady@lemmy.world 108 points 1 year ago (4 children)
[–] luffyuk@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It's hardly a trickle either.

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[–] WorldwideCommunity@lemm.ee 21 points 1 year ago

I caught myself mid laugh before realizing the reality of that statement.

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[–] RatMaster@sh.itjust.works 85 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd say it's more like disguised feudalism. We're all peasants for the few kings and queens that have all the money at the top.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 year ago (22 children)

I don't think people actually agree on the definition of capitalism itself, I just looked it up and was a little surprised how definitive it is:

an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit.

If you asked whether capitalism is a political system, at least in my random polling, 2 out of 9 respondents said No.

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[–] foggy@lemmy.world 85 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes Marx formalized this opinion.

It's the owners of the land and the means of production that control all of the wealth.

[–] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Now it’s the owners of the holding companies who own the owners of all the rest doing the controlling.

[–] Disgusted_Tadpole@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago

Capitalism is now playing 3D chess

[–] solstice@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It fundamentally is NOT a pyramid scheme. In a pyramid scheme there is no actual product or service of value and simply extracts wealth from the people in lower tiers. Value, or wealth, is simply the byproduct of an equitable transaction between two or more parties.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Except that you're describing commerce, not capitalism. Capitalism is the idea that the commerce has value, and that one can own the value of the commercial activity. Further, the value of the business is tied to it's growth.

Further, products and services are never exchanged in an equitable transaction between two parties, because capitalism necessitates a third party, the capitalist. The capitalist must acquire products and services from employees for less than their true value, and then sell them to consumers for more than their true value.

And because capitalism demands growth, one or both of those two margins must continue to expand. This means workers must be pressured to work for less and less, which is why the capitalist opposes social services, universal healthcare, and affordable housing. This also means the capitalism opposes consumer protections, environmental protections, and taxes that provide a functioning society that might interfere with their growth.

Now what happens when every producer and consumer is fighting for the same margins, the same advantages, and the same growth? Then the capitalist seeks new avenues for new capital and new capitalists. Building business on ensuring the growth of business for other capitalists. Selling the idea that you, too, can join us at the top of the pyramid, all the while kicking down ladders they climbed to get there.

So no, the system itself isn't a pyramid scheme. It's just an idea that encourages pyramid schemes because it relies on impossible growth, like a cancer eating away at society.

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[–] bendak@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Transactions are often not equitable, and most wealth bubbles up to the people on the top tiers.

[–] solstice@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Markets are not always fair or efficient but that doesn't mean capitalism is a pyramid scheme. It is still very much the opposite.

[–] KirbyQK@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Unregulated capitalism places all of the power in the hands of the wealthy. Even with the amount of regulation in place, the last 4 decades has irrefutably proven that. The transfer of wealth from the bottom 95% to the top 5% has has been insane.

The only reason we need so much regulation is because people are garbage and if they can gain something for nothing, they will. You cannot consider the pure idea of capitalism without also considering the reality of human nature, that it is inherently going to create a pyramid scheme like situation where the top transfer power and wealth to themselves in the largest quantities they can, in spite of pesky things like laws and taxes.

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[–] xzqtlmn@lemmy.world 54 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To be more specific, fractional-reserve banking system creates this giant pyramid scheme, not capitalism per se.

[–] 46_and_2@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Please explain, how exactly is fractional-reserve banking a pyramid scheme?

[–] capr@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Because it allows banks to lend out money they don't have and when the banks lobby hard enough to completely remove whats left of the gold standard, the sky's the limit for lending out money. Creating money out of thin air increases inflation. However, in a weird way it impoverishes the lower classes while inriching the elite class because the latter tends to better connected and therefor closer to the "monetary spigot". This allows the elite class to buy up everything(land, companies, lobby/bribe governments)from the top down like a game of pacman.

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[–] MrPoopyButthole@lemm.ee 52 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Honestly one of the reasons I fell for a pyramid scheme coming out of high school.

A friend invited me and I went to shit on it and get him out, but the main guy's whole thing was "everything is a pyramid scheme, at least here you have the chance to build a pyramid beneath you."

Obviously there were other reasons as old as time, but the argument of "so what, your 'regular job' is already a pyramid scheme you can't win" was pretty rattling to a teenager in 2011.

[–] hihellobyeoh@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The difference between a pyramid scheme and a good business is where your money comes from, in a pyramid scheme it comes from the people at the bottom of the pyramid, in a business it comes from selling goods and/or services, that's not saying I agree with big business, but one is profiting off of legitimate customers, the other is profiting off it's own "employees". I nearly got caught into one a few years ago too, until I realized what it was, at that point they had only taken a couple $100 for the interview and sign up stage, i had to block my card for them to never get access again, because even though i didnt complete sign up, thwy kept charging me monthly

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[–] peto@lemm.ee 48 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If anything this understates the problem.

[–] pachrist@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (8 children)

True, because it's also a giant Ponzi scheme. We pick up new debt today to pay off debt from yesterday, and we hope expanding GDP and inflation will always offset the difference.

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[–] nomadjoanne@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago (37 children)

No, it is not. It is brutal in many ways. But that it is not. Neither is socialomswor communism.

Pyramid schemes are zero-sum. I steal and gain, you lose. Capitalism and even communism are not zero-sum games. They are net-positive. They involve people making goods and services for others.

[–] hark@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Pyramid schemes don't have to be zero-sum. All you need are assholes at the top trying to suck up as many resources as they can. Imagine the shape that makes.

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[–] TowerofPimps@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (9 children)
[–] God_Is_Love@reddthat.com 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I would say this about the stock market

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[–] trimmerfrost@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (20 children)

Atleast it works unlike covert fascist ideas like Marxism/Communism

[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 43 points 1 year ago

"HEY LOOK EVERYONE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK I AM TALKING ABOUT!!"

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[–] 4am@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (7 children)

fascist

Marxist/ Communist

Those two things are opposites…you buzzword concern troll

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[–] Ruxias@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Communism is covert fascism? Why then did fascists round up and kill communists? The two are wholeheartedly opposed to each other.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's ok, communists only rounded up and killed millions...and caused millions more to die of starvation....but it's ok because fascist killed them in WW II..

[–] folkrav@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (16 children)

Some governments who got put into power under the promise of communism did stray away from their promise of communism and statelessness into authoritarianism, and it killed people, yes. Capitalism has also killed and is killing as we speak, so I'm curious why it's "okay" in their case.

[–] realitista@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

The main issue with communism is that it puts the entire control of the economy in a few people's hands. Even more so than capitalism does.

When that happens, the central planning that those people do, even in the best case is orders of magnitude less efficient than capitalism can manage.

And in the usual case, ends up with them funneling much of the resources to their buddies and letting others starve (a la holodomor).

Anyhow, it's an argument that is about 100 years out of date. The Scandinavians solved this problem half a century ago already. The best thing we can do is have capitalism control production and distribution of goods and services, and democratic government's socialist policies drive the resources where they need to go and solve the many economic externalities endemic in any capitalistic system.

A better solution, as yet, has not been demonstrated. Anyone advocating "pure communism" or "pure capitalism" is a rube.

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[–] n00b001@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

We might have different ideas of "works" my friend

[–] matricaria@feddit.de 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Communism works, just look at North Korea.

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[–] rafa@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Of course it works, for the 1%

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[–] juliebean@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

and with a disappointing lack of giant pyramids, no less!

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

This is the ideal shower thought imo. Concise, absolutely true, and something you wouldn't realize on a daily basis (at least not in these terms)

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 14 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Yes, but you're going to find the same thing with Communism.

Too many shitty greedy people at the top, too many plebs with fuck all at the bottom.

And while you may be thinking "I could live on a commune, spend an hour a day growing our own food and have all that time left for whatever else I want", you'll quickly find you can't grow your own 65" OLED television or whatever other comforts you've become accustomed to.

The billionaires need reining in, and better distribution of wealth all around the bottom, but capitalism ain't going anywhere.

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[–] gaybear@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

would you sign up to my pyramid scheme if I was a cat?? 🥺

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