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[–] Snorf@reddthat.com 73 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I don't understand how anyone could've learned about citizens united and thought it wouldn't end this way.

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

astronaut-2 astronaut-1 it always was like that even before citizen's united. This just made it more convenient

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[–] Fifteen_Two@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 year ago

I am from Canada. I still remember my social studies teacher bringing up Citizens United and asking us all what we thought about it. I still think about our naive answers years later lol.

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[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 43 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Dude who ushered in neoliberalism in the US: "wow, you guys sure have a shitty system"

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 year ago

better late than never

[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

And how long did neoliberalism last? From the early 1980s to 2008 in its entirety? A quarter century or 25 odd years only? With the peak of "end of history" neoliberalism not even lasting a single decade, from December 1991 to September 2001.

Was all the death and destruction that enabled such a system to exist even worth it? Even from the cynical point of view of capital, this seems like an abject failure.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We are still in neoliberalism, though it is waning, aren't we? If it ended, I think it was probably only circa the invasion of Ukraine, which could be taken as a marker for Russia asserting itself as a world power again and violating unipolarity.

In any case, of course the answer to your question is that it was never worth it to us, but always worth it to the rich.

[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

We are at the stage (and have been in it since 2008) in which the old school imperial powers are trying to restore the order of neoliberalism, but are increasingly failing to do so. The invasion of Ukraine has just made that even more apparent than it was before. The bank bailouts of 2008 didn't do much to restore order, sanctions against Russia and China are proving increasingly ineffective, and austerity politics are not steadying the ship as they did in the past. It is impossible to go back now.

This video explains it better than I can

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[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago

Every now and then Jimmy Carter tells the truth, but he's still a pos who helped create neoliberalism and destroyed Afghanistan by arming terrorist groups, ended Nixon's détente with the Soviets and almost invaded Iran.

I remember him saying how the USA screwed up North Korea, that it was the US's fault. He did the same in Cuba, Venezuela and Syria. I think that since he's already 100 years old and no longer has any power or influence within his own party, and most people hated him when he was president, he doesn't care anymore if the CIA is going to kill him. He can just tell the truth and there's no problem. He can just tell the truth and nobody will care.

[–] Fishroot@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago (37 children)

thanks for the insight on the shit you allow to happen in the first place

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[–] OprahsedCreature@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Jimmy Carter criticizing the evil system he helped create:

im-doing-my-part

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[–] Utter_Karate@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Well, ok, yes he's right , but...

Wasn't this guy like mayor of Chicago or something back in the day? Didn't he hold some kind of office with real, tangible political power where he might have tried to actually try to do something about this? Going "Wow, you guys are really fucked" decades later doesn't really absolve someone.

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 38 points 1 year ago

No nothing as powerful as mayor of Chicago, he was only the president of the US

[–] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 year ago

Cough Suharto cough East Timor.

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[–] SoyViking@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago (5 children)

"When the devil grew old he joined a convent" is an idiom in my language. It seems fitting for Carter.

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[–] bazingabrain@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

you let this happen, jimmy.

[–] library_napper@monyet.cc 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)
[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

So much has improved since then regarding oligarchies with unlimited political bribery, right? anakin-padme-2

So much has improved since then regarding oligarchies with unlimited political bribery, right? anakin-padme-4

[–] Nioxic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] torknorggren@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I love that Jimmy's still out here as a presidential Yoda dropping knowledge bombs at 99.

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago

President's are really into dropping bombs obama-drone

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[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I love the truth bombs that Jimmy Carter's National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski also dropped in his 1998 interview with Le Nouvel Observateur!

Q: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs["From the Shadows"], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?

Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don't regret anything today?

Brzezinski: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter: We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.

Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic [integrisme], having given arms and advice to future terrorists?

Brzezinski: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?

Amazing truth bombs there. No way any of this could have aged badly since then...

[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.one 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I mean this is an old article (2015) but up until 7 mo ago when he entered hospice care he was continuing to do good left and right it seems like.

I feel like he is one of the few politicians that wasn't a corrupt asshole. We need more like that at all levels of government to walk back all the corruption. Hard to get a critical mass of non corrupt jerks though. The greedy sociopaths are drawn to political office like moths to flame.

PS: happy bday JC

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/4233246-jimmy-carter-turns-99-as-tributes-roll-in/

[–] itsonlygeorge@reddthat.com 9 points 1 year ago

No shit Sherlock. Thanks Citizens United! Legalized bribery and made corporations into legal persons.

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