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[–] Voytrekk@lemmy.world 218 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Fuck Nintendo. All they have done is ensure I never buy one of their products again.

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[–] AsakuraMao@moist.catsweat.com 159 points 1 week ago (8 children)

I will always say this in these "Nintendo shuts down beloved fan project" threads: why don't the people working on these projects operate anonymously and release via torrent? I feel like I've been reading the same story for 20 years. It shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone at this point that Nintendo will come after you.

[–] Xatolos@reddthat.com 231 points 1 week ago (30 children)

Because emulation is legal. It shouldn't have to be hidden. This was taken through the courts in 2001 with the Sony vs Bleem lawsuit.

What appears to be happening is Nintendo is abusing its power and money to make threats of legal action that these groups just can't afford to fight, even though they haven't done anything illegal. It should be coming as a surprise that Nintendo is coming for them, because this is completely legal, and not some fan game using Nintendo IP (which is what they normally shut down).

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 44 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Legal in the US. I think this guy is in Brazil.

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

Is nintendo the source of the "come to brazil" meme? 🤔

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 31 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The Sony verdict didn’t establish emulation as legal

At most you find that it established using mods/creating derivatives is illegal

And on the low end it found that using pictures from competitors in advertising as comparison isn’t illegal

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[–] Chewy7324@discuss.tchncs.de 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Nintendo didn't put legal pressure on emulator devs for decades at this point, which made devs less cautious about preserving their pseudonymity.

Now it's too late and they can't stop Nintendo from finding out who they are and which mistakes they did at some point over the years.

Maybe a new generation of emulator developers will be more protective of their identity, by using hosting providers like Njalla or privacy networks like i2p. The latter would limit access (as it requires i2p), which isn't desirable for most users.

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[–] kautau@lemmy.world 148 points 1 week ago (4 children)

There were so many Nintendo apologists when Yuzu was taken down because "Yuzu used actual nintendo source code, so that's why they were taken down, it won't happen to Ryujinx." Yet here we are. Nintendo is by far the shittiest company when it comes to protecting their IP, because it's all they have. Turns out, Mario is a fucking bootlicker

[–] yonder@sh.itjust.works 83 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I don't understand how people think getting rid of emulators is good. Having emulators is better as a consumer than not having them at all, since it can give gamers more ways to play their games and might incentivize Nintendo to add features to compete with emulators (think better res and fps, mod support, save states, no online requirement).

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 79 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Because a subset of people are and always will be idiots. Remember: some people think unions exist to steal your money, socialism is communist dictatorship propaganda, and privatization of government services is good for everybody.

[–] _____@lemm.ee 20 points 1 week ago

Nintendo fanboys are a special breed of stupid, arguing with them about Nintendo's policies and anti consumer practices is just a wasted effort.

[–] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 31 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yuzu did not use "nintendo source code".

They simply hosted decryption keys in their repository. But that still was not the focus of Nintendo's move. It was that Yuzu and its company profited directly from the release of The Legend of Zelda.

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[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Well he is always saving the monarchy. Should have been kinda obvious 👑

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[–] pyre@lemmy.world 98 points 1 week ago (15 children)

fuck Nintendo and fuck fanboys who defend them at every turn. breath of the wild was a 7/10 game

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[–] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 56 points 1 week ago (3 children)

'offered an agreement'

So bribed them?

[–] subignition@fedia.io 97 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Probably more of a "Do x, y, and z and we agree not to sue you about it"

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[–] merthyr1831@lemmy.ml 29 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They sent people to his house

I'm Brazil

motherfucker had goons sicced on him

[–] archonet@lemy.lol 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm Brazil

hi Brazil, I'm Dad!

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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 55 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (11 children)

I'm a bit salty this was apparently announced through Discord. Was it even posted anywhere else?

The future of social media is fragmented siloes, I guess.

[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I wouldn't have an issue with many different communications platforms if they didn't all require an account (also Discord not being indexable sucks).

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

Discord is even worse, as you need to find an invite to a specific Discord, and sometimes go through a lengthy sign up process for each Discord.

Some won't let you sign up without a phone #.

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[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 54 points 1 week ago (3 children)

As with Yuzu, I won't be buying any more switch games. I'll still be playing switch games, and so will my friends, but we won't my buying them.

Honestly, I've lived watching emulators for decades. They can come and go and there's always more, even ones that aren't forks. Just today I was reminiscing on my first emulators, zsnes, no$gmb and nesticle. Y'all remember the peaceful zsnes snowfall? Good times.

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[–] 2pt_perversion@lemmy.world 53 points 1 week ago (2 children)

People think emulator protections in the law are stronger than they really are. Sony vs Connectix made emulation legal, but it wasn't heard by the supreme court. PS1 games weren't encrypted and relied on other methods like disc wobble to prevent piracy...so without proactively violating any measures you could just not include that check in your competing emulator and play retail discs without breaking any laws.

In steps the DMCA anti-circumvention laws for bypassing video game / console encryption measures, which is an even bigger untested minefield without precedent in favor of emulation. And since games are default encrypted on new consoles and arguably not subject to exemption (at least while still supported) it really might be a disaster to fight it.

Nintendo is a dick but it's not in our interest or theirs to really push the boundary on the status quo. The get to slap suit whatever they want taken down, we get to play the emulation hydra game where it's still legally grey.

[–] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 55 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Personally I don’t give a flying Fuck what the law says, breaking copyright is the only thing preventing the world from being more of a dystopian nightmare with subscription mice and trains that break down if you take them to a mechanic and I can’t wait for someone in china or India to take the Open source code and make a better emulator.

[–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I care what the law says if it's wrong.

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[–] COASTER1921@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 week ago

If they had an actual plan or history of preserving games I'd not care about emulator development. But with the industry track record being so poor we need emulators if for nothing else for preservation.

So much culturally interesting data has already been lost to time which I bet future historians would absolutely love to have access to. The internet archive is missing much of the early internet, while old iPhone and Android apps are largely unable to be run even if you have the APK/IPA required,

[–] SattaRIP@lemmy.blahaj.zone 47 points 1 week ago (11 children)

I own a Nintendo, and I haven't used it in years. I bought some games which were ridiculously priced compared to what I was used to on steam. I'm rather annoyed they keep their games console exclusive for this reason, they have like a monopoly of a market they control, it feels.

I was gonna get some more games to put on it, but with then shutting down these emulators, I think I'll use one of those instead. Fuck Nintendo.

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[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Obligatory fuck Nintendo, but I also blame the selfish dumbfucks who keep posting videos of themselves playing unreleased games on YouTube and Reddit. If you want nice things contingent on having software which exists in a legal gray area, don't openly poke the litigious hornets' nest.

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[–] xan1242@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I need to remind some people here who don't seem to understand something.

Forks may be dead and development may not be as fast as the original.

However - you must think about the future and not the situation right now. Yuzu and Ryujinx sources will be invaluable information for people making emulators later down the line.

It's a matter of when and not if someone picks it up again.

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[–] mctoasterson@reddthat.com 34 points 1 week ago (19 children)

Yeah, this is dumb.

I own original hardware and buy 100% of my games but sometimes you just wanna run games that aren't originally crossplatform on your Steamdeck for convenience, or on a PC with resolution upscaling, or for ease of streaming the gameplay, or tons of other legitimate reasons.

Nintendo has some great IP and gameplay, and I guarantee you their sales are not meaningfully hurt by people who pirate/emulate games. Those people were never their customers anyway. If anything the emulation community enabled streamers to boost the popularity of their games. (People like PointCrow did more for the sustained popularity of BOTW than all of Nintendo's marketing efforts combined)

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[–] dharmacurious@slrpnk.net 32 points 1 week ago (12 children)

I know it's not happening, but I'd love it if Nintendo went the way of Sega, and just made games. They've always been hit and miss with their consoles anyway, it's the games people love. Just fuck it, start releasing games for multiple platforms and focus on what you're actually fucking good. Pipe dream, I know

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[–] 3xa8yte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Now and then I bought Nintendo games for my nephew. This stopped right now.

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[–] JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I think anyone still in the scene will want to lay low for a while and work in the shadows. Only releasing after a few years.

I hope they dont go for dolphin or cemu claiming that certain games are in their e-shop for the switch 2 release.

Either way I think we should start backing up emulators and their source and require files regularly as a fallback.

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[–] nichtburningturtle@feddit.org 24 points 1 week ago (3 children)

What do they think they achieve with this?

[–] csolisr@hub.azkware.net 34 points 1 week ago

Forcing people to purchase the Switch 2 for their handheld needs, obviously </sarcasm>

[–] raptor85@mastodon.gamedev.place 21 points 1 week ago (3 children)

@nichtburningturtle @mr_MADAFAKA not sure, there's already like 500 forks up, may the one with the coolest name win.

it's in the repo for basically any linux distribution too so the source and executables are mirrored on literally thousands of servers and easily downloadable, so absolute worst case scenario it's version froze at 1.1.1388 for the time being.

all that happened to yuzu is a slight name change so i don't expect much more here.

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[–] archonet@lemy.lol 22 points 1 week ago

And then nobody ever made another emulator for Nintendo products again and this definitely does not foreshadow an endless game of whack-a-mole powered by spite.

Surely not.

[–] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 21 points 1 week ago

Go to hell Nintendo. I will never buy anything from them again and I will advise gamers I know to do the same.

[–] lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com 19 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Is there still an alternative left for the switch?

[–] flashgnash@lemm.ee 42 points 1 week ago

Both ryujinx and yuzu are open source, there are loads of forks

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 week ago (5 children)
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[–] refalo@programming.dev 19 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Imagine not developing a controversial emulator anonymously...

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