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submitted 9 months ago by sylverstream@lemmy.nz to c/gaming@beehaw.org

My 9yo daughter has a tablet with family link, so I can monitor what apps she wants to install. As the garbage games are mostly at the top free, she keeps asking for games that I reject, in most cases because it's riddled with ads.

The Play Store has a section for kids, which seems to have better quality apps and games. Also thinking to subscribe to Play Pass so she can try out paid games.

Any other tips? Especially how to find good free / paid games. I don't mind paying for good games.

Also I'm aware I can block ads using eg Pi Hole (already doing that) or sometimes putting it on airplane mode, but that's not my point. I want to find and support quality games.

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[-] ZILtoid1991@kbin.social 26 points 9 months ago

Install an emulator for her alongside with some roms. Unfortunately, that's pretty much the only option we have nowadays.

[-] sylverstream@lemmy.nz 4 points 9 months ago

Interesting, hadn't thought about that. Will read more about it!

[-] sic_semper_tyrannis@feddit.ch 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Lemuroid is a great open source emulator. Vimm's Lair is a great place to find games/ROMs. It's difficult to play games though that require the bumper buttons on a touch screen. Maybe consider getting her a retro gaming handheld device. They can either run based on Linux, so an emulator, or Android which can operate like normal and then you can select an emulator to play. ETA Prime has lots of reviews of these devices.

[-] sylverstream@lemmy.nz 3 points 9 months ago

Awesome, thanks! I've tried retro gaming before but they didn't really like it, we also had a Wii for a couple of weeks, but perhaps I should try again.

[-] ono@lemmy.ca 25 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)
[-] amanneedsamaid@sopuli.xyz 9 points 9 months ago

I agree, open source games are designed with fun in mind instead of attention grabbing garbage and ads.

[-] sylverstream@lemmy.nz 2 points 9 months ago

Thanks, that's a good idea!

[-] luciole@beehaw.org 22 points 9 months ago

When my kid was younger he had a "garbage games on tablet" phase as well. As others have said, paid games are the way to go (Play Pass sounds cool). Looking for indie games for Android, or PC games ported to Android gives some good results. Stardew Valley’s an obvious one. I haven’t played Ordia, but it looks gorgeous.

What worked really well for us was to teach him about some dark patterns in simple terms and spot them with him in the freemiums he was playing. "Fear of Missing Out" events/notifications and "Progression Paywalls" are typical ones. It made him realize the game wasn’t built to give him a good time as much as to frustrate him into endlessly spending real money in exchange for some phony currency. In the end he was happy to switch to saner games. It’s a good opportunity to work on their critical judgment basically.

[-] sylverstream@lemmy.nz 3 points 9 months ago

Thanks for your insights. My goal as well is to teach them instead of just refusing those games. She already starts to understand better.

SV was a favourite but we've played it a lot already and we have lost interest. Will look into Ordia!

[-] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 9 months ago

https://www.darkpattern.games/

I have not extensively used this site but it seems to have some good pointers

So maybe check with them there first, then install

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[-] nicman24@kbin.social 15 points 9 months ago

get them an offline console

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[-] morganth@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 9 months ago

This is probably not a terribly helpful answer, but on the iOS side, there is Apple Arcade, which is a huge library of “free” (aka included with the subscription) games that don’t have any ads or microtransactions. If there’s an Android equivalent, just give her that as her app store. You’d spend a set amount per month and keep her away from the predatory business models.

[-] sylverstream@lemmy.nz 8 points 9 months ago

I guess Play Pass for Android is similar. Thanks.

[-] ranandtoldthat@beehaw.org 3 points 9 months ago

Play pass is surprisingly not terrible.

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[-] korewa@reddthat.com 6 points 9 months ago

Exactly where I landed after giving them a fire tablet.

[-] sylverstream@lemmy.nz 4 points 9 months ago

Fire tablet is Android, right? Or am I mistaken.

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[-] aard@kyu.de 12 points 9 months ago

My 9yo daughter has a tablet with family link, so I can monitor what apps she wants to install. As the garbage games are mostly at the top free, she keeps asking for games that I reject, in most cases because it's riddled with ads.

Did you ever consider using this as opportunity to educate your daughter about ads in general, how some games try to push adds to get you to do something, and also how some games have game mechanics trying to push you to do specific things, and then just let her figure out if those games are worth playing, or not?

She's definitely old enough - I had that discussion with my daughter when she was 5, we have an agreement that we limit the number of games installed on her phone - and the kind of shitty game you're talking about typically gets uninstalled again pretty quickly.

In a few years she'll be able to install stuff by herself - if you never explained to her what and why games/apps are doing she'll not be ready to deal with that, and it'll be out of your control.

[-] sylverstream@lemmy.nz 4 points 9 months ago

Thanks for the insights. Totally agree with you. Yep, I'm having those conversations and she understands it more and more.

[-] sculd@beehaw.org 12 points 9 months ago

One thing you might need to pay attention to is your daughter would want to play the same game as their friends do.

You may want to reject games base on your criteria, but if your daughter feels isolated because she can't play with her friends, that could be a bigger problem.

[-] sylverstream@lemmy.nz 6 points 9 months ago

I'm not too worried about that tbh. It's the same thing that when she gets a mobile phone it will be very limited, only call, text and messaging. No social media until she's 18. Thanks though for checking.

[-] MDKAOD@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago

Good luck. We tried that rule too, it has led to so much stress and fighting. I'm certainly not suggesting to not try and hold the line. I'm just wishing you luck with it.

[-] can@beehaw.org 4 points 9 months ago

I don't even see how it's possible to stop someone from using social media until they're 18 unless they truly don't want to.

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[-] kratoz29@lemm.ee 4 points 9 months ago

That... seems a bit too extreme, I honestly don't think you can achieve that... unless you get her a dumb phone and assuming she never gets her own by her own means.

Working with your kids to have a decent social media experience? That I can see!

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[-] BigTrout75@beehaw.org 11 points 9 months ago

Netflix offers free Android games with no ads too. If you have ad subscription it might work

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[-] variants@possumpat.io 8 points 9 months ago

There's an app called mini review that has reviews for games you can browse through there but not sure if there is a kids section but it's helpful to filter out as heavy games.

I'll never forget my friends kid being upset on our camping trip while we waited in the car in a store run saying how he has no wifi out there so he can't watch his ads for coins

[-] Hades@lemmy.nz 4 points 9 months ago

This is also great because you can filter out games with ads and microtransactions. See https://minireview.io/browse?monetization-android=no-ads+no-iap&monetization-ios=no-iap

[-] storksforlegs@beehaw.org 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

My kid has this problem too. So many games interrupt him mid level to force ads, its ridiculous.

But we've found a few games that arent total popup nightmares (that he enjoys):

-Two Dots, a beautiful puzzle game, very kid friendly

-Bad Piggies - a spin off of angry birds, Physics based building/puzzle game, very cartoony and fun gameplay. My kid loves this game, probably his favourite (its older so the ads arent too obnoxious. You can pay to disable them, also)

-Stumble Guys - massive multiplayer platformer like fallguys, loves this one (there are ads but you can pay to disable for 4.99)

We have the ios equivalent to play pass and it helped a lot, too.

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[-] DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Private DNS server. Blocks most ads even in games.

Here's what I posted in another thread:

Private DNS FTW!

dns.adguard.com

On Android:

  1. Swipe down and select settings (the gear)
  2. Search for: DNS
  3. Select Private DNS.
  4. Select Private DNS again.
  5. Select Private DNS provider hostname.
  6. Enter: dns.adguard.com
  7. Select Save
  8. Enjoy most ads being blocked in apps.
  9. Might work poorly on public wifi (Walmart wifi for example doesn't work with a private DNS set).

On Apple:

  1. Fuck if I know.
[-] sylverstream@lemmy.nz 3 points 9 months ago

Thanks, I already have set up pi hole. See the last paragraph in my post as well.

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[-] kosmoz@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago

Mullvad DNS works well for this too: https://mullvad.net/en/help/dns-over-https-and-dns-over-tls/

Using DoH (DNS over HTTPS) means it should work on networks that try to block usage of private DNS servers.

[-] kratoz29@lemm.ee 6 points 9 months ago

Ahh... I remember simpler times when we had proper handheld devices... and not having to deal with ads bullshit (shovelware was a thing though).

Perhaps the Nintendo Switch might be a good option down the road?

If not I agree about Chinese handhelds, there are so many out there and they keep improving over time.

[-] sylverstream@lemmy.nz 3 points 9 months ago

Yeah was thinking about a switch, but I'm a bit reluctant due to high cost of games. They mainly use the tablet to game while traveling, at home they play with their toys or on the xbox.

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[-] fbmac@lemmy.fbmac.net 6 points 9 months ago

I'm doing some scraping on the playstore, there is few stuff that has no ads nor in app purchases

I posted a few here on https://lemmy.fbmac.net/c/free_android_games

[-] sylverstream@lemmy.nz 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I've made it a link that works from all instances : /c/free_android_games@fbmac.net thanks!

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[-] tra@lemm.ee 6 points 9 months ago

"Shattered pixel dungeon" is a rouge-like top down rpg with no ads and is quite fun. You can only pay if you choose to support the dev.

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[-] knokelmaat@beehaw.org 6 points 9 months ago

Play pass is a fantastic idea, made me discover a lot of awesome small little experiences

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[-] slauraure@beehaw.org 6 points 9 months ago

I think the category you’re looking for is premium games. On mobile it appears to mean that the game is complete and not sold in pieces.

[-] doboprobodyne@thebrainbin.org 5 points 9 months ago

Fdroid --> unciv

Civilisation clone. Really fantastic if she enjoys that sort of thing.

https://f-droid.org/categories/games/

Also I don't know anything about adblockers but I was lucky enough to have a device supported by www.divestos.org and I think the OS defaults to a DNS that ignores ads somehow. But I'm not sure! I just know I get WAY less spammy ads than friends do :P

#divestOS #Fdroid

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[-] Snoopy@jlai.lu 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It's not easy finding good game, harder for young kid :

  • Andor's trail
  • Room
  • Mindustry
  • Mindtest, control may not be good
  • Milo milo, can't recall its name but its a puzzle
  • Dragon quest
  • Broken age
  • Machinarium (and all anamita game)
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[-] otter@lemmy.ca 5 points 9 months ago

The play pass might be the way to go, since the paid games are a lot better. There are also a lot of guides online for which games are good.

You can also look into games that are ports of old PC games, as well as emulators (which open up a whole new world of games)

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[-] upstream@beehaw.org 4 points 9 months ago

Tbh I gave up on mobile gaming about 8 years ago. Got so tired of sifting through the crud looking for gems.

[-] ultrasquid@sopuli.xyz 4 points 9 months ago

Emulation, geometry dash, Minecraft.

[-] bermuda@beehaw.org 4 points 9 months ago

Spelltower is a classic. Still might have ads but they're less intrusive, and it's educational but it probably won't be boring

[-] brunofin@lemm.ee 4 points 9 months ago

I am on the exact same boat as you. 9yo daughter keeps asking to download a bunch of crap with in app purchases or ads. The problem is that there's so much crap for mobile. I almost never play anything on my phone, but her at her age and the current times of short attention span being bored for longer than a second seems.like a taboo, she needs to have stuff on her phone, even though we have a Switch at home with loads of good quality games.

It's just the way it is.

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[-] xtapa@feddit.de 3 points 9 months ago

Usually, I find ports of PC Games best. I don't know if they are suited for 9 year olds, but broken sword, baba is you or papers please are really good on mobile devices. Point and click in general is a very portable genre for mobiles.

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