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[–] SelfProgrammed@lemmy.world 113 points 1 week ago (6 children)

To Democrats, "elites" mean your in some top percentile of wealth and income. To Republicans, "elites" means having a college degree.

[–] Tyfud@lemmy.world 47 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is the correct answer to the question the Guardian poses. I've lived among them and can 100% confirm this is how they think.

Elites is all about having a college degree and being "book smart" vs their "street smart" or "wise in the ways of man" sort of bullshit charlatans throughout history have used to make up for a lack of critical thinking skills.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It really is the right answer. But I think we can sharpen it if we look at how the media around Democrats elevates and highlights elitism as a quality to be pursued, for example, in a candidate.

A great example of this was the treatment of Pete Buttigieg, and specific media outlets elevation of him to a nationally relevant political actor. Harvard, then Oxford Rhodes scholar then a decade long McKinseyite (that alone should have disbarred him from running for president), then intelligence officer US Navy. He was the definition of "qualified" to the CNN and NPR editorial boards.

But how well had only political bonafides were a failed run for treasurer in Indiana, and a mayoral victory where he garnered all of 10k votes. So the guy has never actually won any significant state or federal elections. Yet in 2020, suddenly this guys is gets treated like a serious contender in the Democratic primary. Why?

Democratically aligned corporate press is obsessed with credentials, and specifically, the kind that comes from "elite" schools and organizations. Partially because they themselves also come from these elite schools and organizations.

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 6 points 1 week ago

We really have become addicted to certifications and tags and qualifiers for everyone because it's easier to "understand" them at a glance and that's decided as all you need.

On paper is good enough for far to many, it's just easier to categorize people and move on.

Being in your categories is the easiest way to automatically think of then as moral and good because they must be, you are. It's fucked up both parties. Look at Eric Adams and Marco Rubio.

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[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 week ago (3 children)

So they basically turned anti elitism to anti intellectualism so they can fool their audience.

I mean, I thought we all knew that.

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[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (4 children)

It means the nerds you shoved in lockers who learned to read and now have successful lives while you scrape by trying to make alimony at a job that would pay a living wage if you didn't live in a right to work state.

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[–] JDPoZ@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

To Republicans, “elites” means having a college degree.

Also depending on the context can mean "lives in a city" or "pays a mechanic to fix their car instead of gets their hands dirty" or "doesn't go to church" or "makes fun of country folks / rural people" or "eats any food that isn't fried or served in a disposable bag and eaten between 2 buns."

...But they're never consistent, b/c they think that Trump, a literal billionaire who lives in a big city, definitely never has gone to church or gotten his hands dirty fixing cars... is somehow not elite.

...I mean... he probably doesn't eat anything that isn't fried / between buns, but that's about it.

It's incomprehensible / inconsistent.

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[–] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 73 points 1 week ago (4 children)

This is one of the greatest scams that conservatives get away with IMO, not just in the US but it happens in the UK and other places too. Conservatives get in, go hog wild cutting taxes, selling off public assets and throwing huge contracts to their friends, and then as soon as the other side gets back in they find that they have to now balance the books, the conservatives start complaining and saying they're the fiscally responsible ones.

It's literally happening right now in the UK - we just got rid of the Tories finally after about 15 years, and the new Labour government immediately found a £20 billion hole in the economy which they now have to make harsh cuts to sort out, and they're the ones getting criticized for it by the media.

[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 week ago

We need a government report card.

At the end of every administration, we need to compare the national debt and all important factors.

It’s one thing people missed in coming up with democratic systems. If different people take turns to steer the ship then you need to define what their goal is so you can evaluate each.

[–] ClockworkOtter@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'd half agree; they could raise taxes instead of making cuts.

[–] 4am@lemm.ee 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That generally also does not go over well in the media.

Conservatives make a mess to their advantage and win/win every time

[–] ClockworkOtter@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Sure, because the media is generally profit oriented and therefore aligned with capitalist interests. We need more mutually supported and supportive media and journalism.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Don't say this around any conservative. They only believe in cutting taxes.

They always have these "household budget" analogies when it comes to the government, but even in a "household budget" situation one solution to overcoming debt is to find a way to raise your income so you can pay down the debt faster....Facepalm

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[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 61 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Because the media continually accepts and perpetuates the right wing framing of everything.

[–] Signtist@lemm.ee 53 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Because the media is owned and operated by rich men who benefit from putting the blame on others and calling it "news."

[–] psychothumbs@lemmy.world 50 points 1 week ago

Because rich Republicans also own the media.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 44 points 1 week ago

Because it was always about projection.

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 43 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Because the Democrats abandoned working class voters in the 80s and 90s to court the professional-managerial class in a pivot towards the center, and the Republicans were able to win over these disaffected blue-collar voters with resentment politics.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 33 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Accuse your enemies of that which you are guilty.

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[–] Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 31 points 1 week ago

because US politics is center right vs far right

[–] verdantbanana@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Why haven’t Democrats embraced economic populism? Because for too long they’ve drunk from the same campaign funding trough as the Republicans – big corporations, Wall Street, and the very wealthy.

US two-party sham needs replacing

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Probably for the same kind of reason that "everyone knows" that the corporate media is a "liberal media".

[–] rsuri@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

"The media is liberal!"
"Who told you that?"
"The media."

[–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 19 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Because it's convenient to have bad faith actors sowing discord before any election.

Tankies (sleeper conservatives that they are) can't rely on logic, merit or hope for a better tomorrow, so they cause as much chaos as possible to their perceived 'enemies'. This chaos includes the encouragement of unrealistic statements and general cognitive dissonance.

My true thoughts are that they went too far and started to believe their own drivel as generations of hexbears rose and fell and shit themselves into .ml

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[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

Projection.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Because democrats value egalitarianism and education. Good education is expensive. The businesspersons that have expended the most effort to offshore our jobs to the serious detriment of working-class America have had some of the most expensive and exclusive educations of all, and they are some of the wealthiest people on the planet… (conservatives fullstop here and ignore the rest: …who are also likely voting conservative). Couple that with the fact that expert (educated) advice and direction is often in direct conflict with the myopic goals and views of the uneducated. Don’t dump shit everywhere (but it’s cheap, easy, and fun to roll coal and pour used motor oil on the ground!), don’t cut down all the trees (but mah lumber is more expensive!), and maybe wear a mask (grandma was gonna die eventually anyways, at least I can bring her Covid from the Applebees take out!)

So it’s really easy for the conservatives to paint education = evil, and then of course they couple that with feel-good bullshit like “common sense” and small-town American wisdom that is completely meaningless but makes the uneducated feel smart or like they have control of their situation.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

They aren't. Republicans lie all the time and some people are stupid enough to believe them.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's because Democrats are not willing to become anti-elite or anti-rich or anything like that, they'd piss off their donors. Only Trump was able to do this because everyone knows he's lying. His donors know it's all a show.

[–] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hard agree. All we get from the Democrats is more of the same economically and military, but with some feel good identity politics (i.e. that don't in any way threaten corpos, just provide more markets) and socially progressive vibes. Still better than the alternative sure, but they are just sprinkling glitter on a turd to make it look appealing. There's zero interest towards actually addressing social/financial inequality, reigning in the power of corpos, separating money from politics, or basically changing the economic status quo in any meaningful way. It's a sad state of affairs, and absolutely no wonder leftists aren't enthused to vote for Harris. It's basically a vote for keeping things exactly as they are now, which is not what voters want at all. US politics is so corrupted by money now that a government of the people for the people is just a distant memory. And this talk of reforming the electoral college is just more window dressing, seems to me.

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[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Because Republican voters never, ever seek evidence or utilize basic critical thinking when their hatred steeped biases are confirmed.

A sufficiently hatemongering, and therefore trusted conservative talking head could say "Kamala Harris is a secret Aids Virus in a skin suit made of harvested fetuses made human size by George Soros' double secret reverse shrink ray!"

And you'd cue thunderous Republican voter applause with shrieks of "I FUCKING KNEW IT!"

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Because it’s hard to think of a moron like Trump as elite at anything.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago
[–] DancingBear@midwest.social 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Corporate politicians are the same regardless of whether there is a D or an R in front of their name. They will vote in the interests of their donors every time, without question.

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[–] lol_idk@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago

Democrats are elite in that they are smart

These billionaires are morons

[–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Because they are? Let's not pretend several billionaires don't have Democrats on their payroll too. Are we just ignoring the existence of pelosi and her corporate democrat ilk to make this point? Dems and Republicans are in the pockets of corporate america and billionaires. It's not a secret that this country is a thinly veiled oligarchy

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