Ah sweet! Man made horrors beyond my comprehension!
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Yeah, turns out war is pretty fucked up. Look up the rape of nanjing. Or Pearl Harbor. Or Hiroshima.
You get the idea.
Imperial Japan was obviously a fascist state that needed to be dismantled (and sadly wasn't nearly as much as it should have been), but if we're talking barbarism, Pearl Harbor was nothing compared to the other items listed. It was an air strike on a naval base, nothing was really exceptional about it except that it's rare for someone to dare to attack the US.
It was done during a period of negotiations for peace. It was the perfidy, not the damage, with a dose of racism/xenophobia that mobilized Americans.
I'm pretty sure it was because someone dropped bombs on American soil. In any case, the fact that it touched on the American aggrievement fetish does not put it on par with the other events listed.
Liberals and the irresistible urge to compare yourself to literal Nazis
Not really sure what you mean here. Is that what I’m doing in your estimation?
Probably not intentionally. Looking at this and saying some variation of "war is hell" or "war is pretty fucked up" as you said is extremely handwavey. War being hell doesn't mean we can't focus on individual war crimes, particularly those done by the US.
Theres a lot of people who reflexively throw up there hands and say "War is Hell" (they're swarming here) when you bring up a US war crime. But if you bring up sonething done by a designated enemy of the US people don't do that.
Its may not be intentional but its still not good
It does add needed context though. These arent peacetime actions of civilians. These are the actions of people forced into melting pot of slaughter.
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Oh yeah. I considered mentioning 9/11…. Of 1973. But suspect most people don’t know the us supported an attack on a foreign country surreptitiously. And abu ghraib, but wasn’t sure how it’s spelled.
This country is militarily fucked up, as are the cops.
There’s no whitewashing for me.
Ah, the real 9/11 
I don't know how spell abu graib either lol
And Japanese cannibalism of executed POW's, and Ishii's biological warefare unit. War is Hell.
War is Hell.
I can just smell your armchair general smugness about saying that. You must feel very hardened and cool, calm, and collected watching explosions on screens. 
all over the place in these comments
The US was the model for biological testing and eugenics, that's not why they fought japan, nor was it even one of the stated reasons at the time.
Just normal Freedom and Democracy things, no need to worry about it
Are we the baddies?
Always have been.
Nothing personnel kid
What does this say about the guys that thought this was a good idea?
That they're war criminals
That war is desensitizing
That's an overly generous view of war crimes
Feel free to pitch in with more takes
Seems necessary with all the "war is hell" handwaving going on to point out that the people who did this are war criminals
Not sure how that is relevant since I have made no statement regarding the legality of such things but 👍
You made an excuse for war crimes
Yeah, no. I did no such thing.
In this thread there's been a lot of handwaving about "war is hell." You said war is desensitizing and that the peoole who did war crimes were "unstable."
Thats really common when US war crimes are brought up. "Well obviously war is hell/war is desensitizing/they were just crazy," gets deployed, instead of the most obvious thing staring us in the face - the core US value of white supremecy.
War is hell. What about the culture of white supremacy, genocide, rascism, and aparthied the men who commited these crimes came from? Was it really just war that desensitized them?
You may not, even probably aren't falling into this consciously. But you are making excuses for war crimes and the reality of what the US actually is.
Still no. You don't have a point here, however much you try to force one.
If others are 'handwaving' war crimes, that's on them and you can argue with them about it. :-)
What was your point then?
What I wrote lol. I'd say that someone who thinks sending skulls back home to their families is not in a sound state of mind.
Sure no subtext there. Fucking smug ass lib
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Sure but I dk if I would want to be with a guy that sent me the head of his enemies as a momento. Like 40's girl wants a skulls ? They dating Wednesday Adams?
I'd probably not want to be in the same squad lol. Soldiers taking trophies from their enemies bodies gives of an unstable vibe
Whaaa!? Skulls for the Skull throne is 100% mentally stable.
Turns out if you dehumanise your enemies completely, war crimes happen.
Although the japanese mostly just mutilated you when you were alive.