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I know gator-aid and its like advertise that they have lots of them. And I know sometimes I feel bad if I sweat a lot and just drink water. But are they just advertising... salt? Are there different kinds of electrolytes, and if so are they interchangable?

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[-] uniqueid198x@lemmy.dbzer0.com 45 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Effectively, yes. "Electrolytes" is a collective term for the ions that help move stuff into and out of your cells. These are primarily sodium and potassium, although calcium also plays a role. Sodium is the most important of these for sports drinks, because it is the one you most lose through sweat.

Unfortunately, most sports drinks don't really contain enough to balance out heavy sweating, because sodium salt (aka normal salt) tastes, unsurprisingly, salty. If a drink had the right balance of sodium, it would be noticeably salty. Gatorade has one line of drinks that do that, and Pedialyte is specially made for the correct balance. Sports drinks really jack up the sugar to help hide the salt taste.

Most sports drinks, rather than having the sodium you need to replace sweat, instead jack up the potassium (think Prime and it's advertised 843mg of electrolytes, 700mg of which is potassium). This doesn't really replace the electrolytes you need, but it also doesn't make the drink nearly as salty.

When you see "electrolytes", you should flip around to the nutrition label, which must list the actual amounts of sodium and potassium. This will tell you if it will actually help you recover from activity, or if it's just more sugar water and advertising.

Edited to add:

why is sodium so important? Because your cells use a mechanism called "osmosis" to move water back and forth. Water molecules naturally move from areas of high concentration to areas of lower concentration. In the cell, this means that water will go in to the cell if the inside of the cell has more sodium than the outside, and leave the cell when the outside has more than the inside.

When you sweat, two things happen: you lose water and you lose sodium you lose more water than sodium, so your blood becomes saltier. Water moves from inside your cells to your blood; this is what it means to be "dehydrated". To counter it, you need to dilute your blood and increase the amount of sodium in your cells. Hence, drinking water with sodium can help replenish both and speed recovery from dehydration.

[-] Zeth0s@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Sodium is also used for all the electrical activity of our body (such as thinking and moving and living...), and is fundamental in adsorption of nutritions in digestion. Sodium, potassium and calcium are so important that it is difficult to even list all processes they are involved.

Edit. To add context our cells spend between 30 and 70 % of their energy to move around sodium and potassium ions https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium%E2%80%93potassium_pump A good chunk of what we eat is to move them around

[-] Pixel@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 11 months ago

such as thinking and moving and living

bold of you to assume

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[-] ech@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago

Funnily, I actually just recently watched an episode of Kurzgesagt that explains how osmosis and diffusion work in cells. Pretty cool stuff!

Link to the episode - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1KkQrFEl2I

[-] cedarmesa@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)
[-] Zeth0s@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Our diets are already rich in sodium. Because it makes food more tasteful.

You really don't need any additional sodium

Edit. Who downvoted a basic fact? Sodium is table salt guys, we already eat enough of it

[-] uniqueid198x@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 months ago

This is quite true. The only people who need to worry about this on the regular are endurance athletes (and people with equivalent jobs). Anything where you are working at an elevated heart rate and sweating for hours or days. Not common for joggers or people who shoot hoops after work

[-] uniqueid198x@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 months ago

I actually take electrolyte tablets with me when I hike. Hyponatremia (having dangerously low salt levels) can really sneak up on you when you are hiking in the heat for four or five days straight. You keep hydrated, but there just isn't enough salt in your food to replace what you lose. Dropping a straight tablet of salt can really help balance that

[-] Ilikepornaddict@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 11 months ago

Maybe, but do you really think you could keep that down?

[-] Graphy@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

I’ll practice with a smaller banana to train my gag reflex

[-] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago

That sounds horrible. Can you share the link?

[-] Classy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago

Also this explains why after I have a particularly hard day at work, the thing that makes me feel the most regulated is a piece of steak that's very heavily salted.

Fat and protein, cartilage, sodium

[-] Pissnpink@feddit.uk 2 points 11 months ago

Back in high school I had some friends tour an NFL stadium. They got to see the field and locker rooms and all. I didn't get to go with them, so while they were in the locker rooms they stole a bunch of these powdered electrolyte drinks they had out for the players and brought some back for me. I remeber trying them and they tasted like straight sweat. It makes sense, but they were gross. Same flavor as licking someone's forehead.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 months ago

Apply directly from forehead.

[-] uniqueid198x@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago

That's how you know it's working

[-] swab148@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

Same flavor as licking someone's forehead.

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[-] Psythik@lemm.ee 30 points 11 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Salts. Sodium, potassium, and magnesium. Edit: Not interchangeable. All three are essential.

Gatorade is a bad source of electrolytes. It's loaded with sodium but that's about it. You're better off drinking coconut water and taking a magnesium citrate suppliment for hydration. Stay away from Gatorade. It's sugar water.

EDIT: Yes there are others too. Chloride, Calcium, Phosphates, and Bicarbonate. I only mentioned the major ones. Apologies for that.

[-] 2piradians@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Years ago I read that magnesium oxide has a very low absorption rate in the body, so it mostly passes in urine. The source said magnesium malate or citrate have much higher absorption.

[-] treefrog@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago

Magnesium also competes with calcium for absorption. So it's best to space them out.

[-] DeviantOvary@reddthat.com 3 points 11 months ago

I've been taking the malate variety, but decided to switch to oxide midway through, because I got a bottle of it for free. It took me a week to realize that magnesium oxide was the one causing diarrhea. So yeah, there's definitely a difference between magnesium varieties.

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[-] EssentialCoffee@midwest.social 2 points 11 months ago

Unfortunately, coconut water is not good for tree nut allergies.

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[-] LazaroFilm@lemmy.film 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

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[-] someguy3@lemmy.ca 23 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

When you sweat, you lose more than just water. You also lose salt and some other minerals. Basically that's what electrolytes are and what's replaced with sports drinks.

What's not been mentioned yet is a real electrolyte drink is noticeably salty and does not taste very good. Gatorade and other sports drinks you find in the convenience store jack up the sugar to make it more palatable and saleable to the masses.

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[-] Bluetreefrog@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)
[-] Futurama@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

It's got what plants crave.

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[-] Danatronic@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Electrolytes are chemicals that can ionize to carry current. Table salt is one electrolyte, but potassium and magnesium salts are also required by the human body. Nerves work by sending electrical signals, so they need these electrolytes in order for them to carry those signals throughout the body. The problem is, the amount of electrolytes available to nerves depends on the amount present in the bloodstream, and when sweat glands pull water out of the bloodstream, they also take some electrolytes with it. That's why you need to replenish them after sweating. If you don't, your nerves won't work as well and your muscles will have a hard time coordinating. The specific ions you need to organize muscle contraction are sodium, potassium, and magnesium, so if you're low in any of those, then you risk weakness and cramps. So it's not quite as simple as just drinking table salt.

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolyte)

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[-] randon31415@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

I once was told my mother's electrolytes were high AND she needed vitamin D because she didn't get much sun. Somehow my young brain merged the two concepts such that if someone said there electic-lights were low, I would offer them my lamp to sun with.

[-] Noughmad@programming.dev 8 points 11 months ago

if someone said there electic-lights were low, I would offer them my lamp to sun with.

Not sure if typo or a great pun, but a lamp is a good idea for someone lacking electric lights.

[-] Zeth0s@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

When dissolved in water many atoms and molecules have some charge, that allows them to create relatively weak bonds with waters (therefore stay in solution).

The charge means that they have either more electrons than protons (negatively charged) or less (positively charged). These are called electrolytes because they can be "moved" in water and separated by applying an electrical field (electrolysis, this requires a different eli5, take it as it is).

Outside water these substances aggregate to form "salts".

Now, some of these charged elements are crucial for functioning of basic biological processes, such as thinking, muscle contraction (including heart), even sensing.

Unfortunately they are lost when sweating (they are dissolved in sweat). In a healthy diet, where you eat enough fruit and vegetables, this is not an issue. If you are doing intense exercise however, an additional dose of these substances might help. TBF I am not sure if it has ever been proved that it is necessary... But it might help.

As said, if your diet is good, you don't need them. If your diet is s*it you'll probably have other issues. If you have real issues your doctor will tell you how to address them.

Tl;dr: those drinks are marketing stuff. They might be beneficial only in case of intense physical exercise, not needed for daily life if you follow a healthy diet

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