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[โ€“] h3mlocke@lemm.ee 1 points 4 hours ago

๐Ÿ˜ . . . . ๐Ÿ‘Ž

[โ€“] MehBlah@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Yes they are. No matter the intent that is what they are.

[โ€“] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 7 points 1 day ago

Spot on. Upvotes/downvotes are for voting on the quality of comment only in theory. In practice, they are agree/disagree buttons.

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[โ€“] scott@authorship.studio 8 points 1 day ago

It would be interesting to see how people would behave if you had both a "Disagree" and a "Low Quality" button. Would it make any difference, or would people who dislike it also hit the low quality button out of spite?

[โ€“] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 25 points 1 day ago

It's a bit of an unwinnable battle. People will always use it as disagree button

[โ€“] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Earnest question- what is it supposed to be used for? I don't downvote people very often, but I think I've only ever seen it used express approval or disapproval so that the score reflects community sentiment

How is it supposed to be used?

[โ€“] OpenStars@piefed.social 2 points 9 hours ago

This post does not present the requisite context, which is that this community is a bit special in comparison to others. Read the sidebar text where it explains more how the mod wants people to use it differently. On Reddit there were some others like that, e.g. CMV, and had different-styled icons to help people realize that - before the days where people just expected every single sub to function identically so that they could bother not reading the sub rules before posting or commenting in it.

e.g.:

Do not downvote posts if you think they deserved it. Use the comment votes (see below) for that.

[โ€“] kattfisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 13 hours ago

It's a tool for curating the content, upvote posts you want people to see, and downvote those you think should be hidden. So stuff that's irrelevant, factually incorrect, pointless, inflammatory etc.

Thinking that something should be hidden just because you disagree with it is problematic.

[โ€“] HereIAm@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In addition to what others said, in comments the down vote is meant to be used on comments that don't further discussion in good faith.

I used to subscribe to that idea, but I've since changed my mind. If the far majority use upvotes to mean agreement, then me upvoting a controversial, but well structured, opinion will likely be viewed as agreement as well.

It's a nice idea to think the voting system is meant to promote discussion, instead of homogenise opinions in a community.

[โ€“] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Yeah, that's kind of the nature of communication I think, and ultimately votes are a form of communication :/

If people understand them to mean agreement or disagreement, that's the message they'll recieve regardless of whether it was the message that you were trying to send.

I guess if I wanna convey I appreciate someone's contribution even though I don't share their perspective I can always leave a comment; that seems like something I'd appreciate seeing in my inbox so maybe it's worthwhile for me to make that a habit

[โ€“] HereIAm@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Yeah that's something I do sometimes as well. I usually just don't vote on a comment as a third option for when I disagree with them, but don't want to punish having a different viewpoint ^^

[โ€“] dch82@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

when a post doesn't fit the community purpose or is generally inappropriate

[โ€“] olsplasher@feddit.org 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Isn't that where you use the report functionality?

[โ€“] OpenStars@piefed.social 1 points 9 hours ago

I suppose it depends on how bad it is. e.g. if it's a community for "videos", and someone submits one with unmoving text that is basically an audio file, you could downvote it then for not matching.

Some software - like PieFed and some Lemmy apps - have automated features that rely less on human moderator intervention and more community feedback, to either auto-collapse or even auto-hide replies with downvotes below user-set thresholds. You can ofc disable these, but if you want them... they are there for you. Also they are immediate, as opposed to waiting until a mod wakes up and finds time to render a decision on everything reported since the last time they checked in.

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[โ€“] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago

Ok but even if its for something else everyone else is still using it for that. And on another note, why shouldnt i use it to show disapproval?

[โ€“] dessalines@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

However you want to use it.

[โ€“] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 25 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I'll stop using the downvotes as a disagree button when everyone else stops using upvotes as an agree button.

[โ€“] kattfisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I actually think up- and downvotes are inherently asymmetrical in this respect.

Upvoting things you agree with is fine and a main use of the function. Why then is downvoting things you disagree with wrong? Because the purpose of voting is visibility, you upvote things you want people to see, like arguments you agree with, and downvote those you don't think people should see.

Now if you believe in having an open discussion you don't want to suppress posts just because you disagree with them. Disagreeing is fine, so downvoting is reserved for posts that detract from the conversation.

[โ€“] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 22 hours ago

you upvote a comment saying they love cats
you ignore a comment saying they don't like cats
you downvote a comment saying they hate cats because cats are evil
and you report a comment saying they eat cats

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[โ€“] tejan@hubzilla.monster 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I always thought a downvote was just a silent "Booooooooooo!"

[โ€“] zqps@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

That's what it should be, a "booo!" for lazy and willfully ignorant comments.

In practice most people downvote any take they disagree with, no matter if it was expressed well, written respectfully, and contributes to the conversation.

[โ€“] Luci@lemmy.ca 74 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Apparently it's the button you press to get banned from a community.

ASK ME HOW I KNOW

[โ€“] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 60 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[โ€“] Didros@beehaw.org 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Fine, I'll do it, how ya know?

[โ€“] Luci@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Got banned for downvoting.

[โ€“] alehc@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 day ago

Wow. Truly never saw that coming.

[โ€“] Emperor@feddit.uk 56 points 2 days ago (2 children)

A lot of those are joke downvotes, well mine was.

[โ€“] Nemo@slrpnk.net 89 points 2 days ago (10 children)

I downvote anyone complaining about downvote out of principle.

[โ€“] lurch@sh.itjust.works 34 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I first upvote it, so more people see it and it gets more downvotes, then i revisit later and downvote, which then decreases by 2.

[โ€“] Emperor@feddit.uk 7 points 2 days ago

Found Satan.

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[โ€“] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 48 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Mine wasn't.

Communities trying to have alternate meanings for upvotes/downvotes must keep in mind that people scrolling posts across communities won't generally notice the community and if they do they won't read the rules and will vote however they want. Trying to force them to follow some silly community specific process is tilting at windmills and bitching about it is embarrassing.

[โ€“] DemBoSain@midwest.social 30 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Well, just add a 'disagree' button so there's no confusion.

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[โ€“] nucleative@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think this kind of voting system intentionally places the content people want to see (i.e. agree with), at the top which increases active users.

But it doesn't stimulate healthy debate and definitely doesn't encourage going against the mainstream.

Slashdot had a more interesting system that let only a select number of people rank quality and set a post category (like funny, informative, etc).

[โ€“] Evotech@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think it's a nice sentiment, but you can't change emergent behavior just by saying "this is wrong"

[โ€“] Klear@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

This is wrong.

[โ€“] sik0fewl@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 days ago

As a rule of thumb I downvote any post that mentions being downvoted or complains about the reaction to a post or comment.

I will give this whole thread a pass, though ๐Ÿ™‚

[โ€“] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 23 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Downvotes are definitely a disagree button and anyone denying it is just coping or lying about their own usage of it. Reddiquette was the worst thing that ever happened to internet culture

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[โ€“] Walk_blesseD@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Fr like if you don't like the way people are using the downvote feature why make a post whinging about it and not just make your account on an instance that has it disabled???

[โ€“] donuts@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago (2 children)

aren't they the instance admin themselves?

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[โ€“] Ibaudia@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago
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