Ukraine has come a long way in fighting their corruption issues (which were in part caused by russian loyalists). I really hope they can kick out Putin quick and then join the EU.
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Seem like other states fueled the corruption too
It's even more corrupt now that it's ever been. What made you think it was improving?
What is your source for it being more corrupt than it's ever been before? This directly contradicts the data from Transparency International's corruption perception poll, which shows that it's the best it's ever been, but still bad. There has also been pressure by the EU to reduce corruption as part of the roadway to EU membership. The US has also been apply pressure for going on a decade. Recently, this has resulted in several high profile indictments against high ranking officials.
War tends to make corruption harder to tackle. Everything is so focused on war efforts that a bribe here or there seems trivial in comparison. You also have a tremendous number of displaced people, which make them vulnerable. The resolution of the Russo-Ukrainian War will make corruption much easier to tackle.
The less democracy the more corruption. They are under martial law, their government right now is on pair with a dictatorship. Remember that no male between 18 and 60 can leave the country and if they try to do they would get arrested.
I gotta say, I've not been thrilled with how Zelenskyy has dealt with political freedoms in the country. When you claim to be the bulwark of liberal democracy, you better be hewing to those claims very strongly. Banning political parties is impossible to square with that. Conscription though? That I can understand. For Ukraine, this is total war, and it's not a war of choice like with Russia.
They chose to go to war. They chose to have a civil war against minorities who wanted self-determination to escape the Nazi coup regime that illegally installed a dictator.
Russia did not choose this war and spent years trying to avoid it. Hollande and Merkel have admitted that they lied and were trying to get the war started.
Russia was invading Ukraine before the post-Maiden revolution government had the chance to get its pants on. Russia's "little green men" were rolling onto Ukrainian soil far before the Kyiv government could possibly have done anything. Russia saw a moment of chaos and took advantage of it.
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Go back to Lemmygrad
It’s surprising seeing so much Ukraine hate in one comments section. Did something major happen that changed public opinion?
This is lemmy.ml, which is full of clueless tankies who confuse modern fascist Russia with the Soviet Union and love to consume Russian and Chinese propaganda. Anything "Western" is automatically bad and evil (those damn Anglos or something) and since Ukraine is backed by NATO, it has to be the bad guy. Take a wild guess at what the ".ml" means.
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I guess what changed is that you are not on reddit anymore where nations advertise their propaganda. Ukraine government declared martial law, they are basically a dictatorship.
This guy is equally trash than Putin
Really? He's equally as bad as the guy responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths due to invading a few neighbouring countries?
Not denying that Ukraine and Zelensky have their fair share of issues but I reckon saying they're just as bad as Putin is more than a little bit disingenuous.
Does it makes a difference if you kill one person or 100? For charts maybe but you are still a murderer even if you kill a bunch. All politicians have blood in their hands, they don't fight their wars, we do it for them and we get forced to do it. Ukraine is under martial law, males between 18 and 60 can't leave the country.
When making a comparison, the difference between the two things you're comparing do in fact matter.
Do you really think that killing in order to defend yourself and others is the exact same thing as killing in support of ideologies such as fascism or imperialism? Iraqis defending themselves against Americans and Georgians defending themselves against Russians is morally identical to killing children because they speak the wrong language, worship the wrong god, or have skin that's the wrong colour?
And how might that one be?
Because from an outsider perspective he seems to be doing alright and anecdotally a Ukrainian man I know says the people around him like Zelenskyy
He brought his country to war for the US to make a bit of money. He's a traitor to his people. Not only as a Ukrainian but as a Jewish Nazi collaborator.
So, Ukraine was invaded (twice) by Russia with no provocation... but he brought the war? Seems like Russia brought the war and he's doing right by the Ukrainian people by defending Ukraine.
And by all means, please list all the ways the he is a Nazi collaborator and traitor to the Ukrainian people, with sources please.
Once on invitation of Crimea to save them from the fascist regime and the second time after 8 years of negotiations to try to avoid war, in the face of an ethnic cleansing of its national allies too. Sure, Russia brought the war. Where do you get your information from? The news?
please list all the ways the he is a Nazi collaborator and traitor to the Ukrainian people, with sources please.
The guy is constantly pictured standing with Nazis.
He literally wears Nazi iconography and is leading a country with an ultranationalism rooted in Nazism. Have you never heard the expression "Slava Ukraine?"
So there is overwhelming evidence of ethnic cleansing? I have yet to see any. In the age of cell phones, there would be so much evidence.
I'm sure there are some people in Russia asking the United States to remove the dictator Putin from power... Yet, the United States didn't invade Russia. You don't get to just invade a sovereign country because a very small number of people asking.
That's your evidence of being the Nazi collaborator flags in the background? Ukrainian Insurgent Army fought with the Nazis trying to free Ukraine from the soviets, as some fought with soviets to free Ukraine from the Nazis. Both were fighting to free Ukraine. Finland joined the Nazis, not because they agreed with the Nazis but to fight against the invading soviets.
Sadly there are many places that have neo-nazis, but they are in the minority. Neo-nazis exist in places hurt by the Nazis greatly, like Poland, France, Britain and even Russia.
Here is Putin standing with a Russia Nazi: https://romea.cz/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fromea.cz%2Fapp%2Fuploads%2F2022%2F02%2Futkin.jpg&w=1200&q=75
And you just attack a slogan that basically says victory to Ukraine from the invaders? Now you're not even trying
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Plenty of russian likes putin too, they are victim of propaganda. I'm sure these Ukrainians between 18 and 60 who want to leave the country but they can't don't like their government much.
Idk about that - one has tried to get into EU and fight corruption, the other voted to devour his neighbouring country for increasingly petty reasons.
It's not petty to respond to threats of nuclear annihilation by a fascist Nazi regime next door. Come on now.
What nuclear capability does Ukraine have currently?
None at all. The threat was that they would join NATO and install nukes.
There was no threat made. Even if Ukraine had entered into NATO, NATO had made no noise about stationing nukes in Ukraine. It could well have kept the status of the Baltic states where they don't have nukes stationed there. There's really no strategic value to NATO to do so. That was an excuse made up by the Kremlin.
Here you go. There's also a video of him demanding pre-emptive nukes be used against Russia.
Zelensky did not ask for pre-emptive nukes against Russia. That was an erroneous English translation. And I said NATO had made no noise about stationing nuclear weapons. For that matter, it's a bit of a reach to say that Ukraine is requesting that nuclear weapons be stationed on its territory, but rather that it gave up nuclear weapons in return for an agreement that Russia has now breached.
"But Zelenskyy’s response to a question from Lowy Institute Executive Director Michael Fullilove, who moderated the discussion, did not specifically mention nuclear weapons."
While talking about nuclear weapons, what else does preemptive strikes mean? This is new levels of cope.
Look back at the quote in that article. He's not talking about wanting nuclear weapons. He's talking about entering into NATO with its Article 5 protections because the Budapest Memorandum has failed.
Beginning:
I want to believe that the North Atlantic Treaty and Article 5 will be more effective than the Budapest Memorandum.
End:
If they [Budapest Memorandum consultations] do not happen again or their results do not guarantee security for our country, Ukraine will have every right to believe that the Budapest Memorandum is not working and all the package decisions of 1994 are in doubt.
Putin and the Kremlin then twisted those words into nukes, when Zelensky explicitly only wants to replace the failed Budapest Memorandum protections with Article 5 protections. Despite all of Putin's bluster, he knows damn well the US isn't going to help Ukraine obtain nukes. The US, the Soviet Union, and other nuclear powers have gone to considerable lengths to avoid nuclear proliferation.
Refuting a poor translation is not "copium". The original Ukrainian did not have the English connotations of nuclear weapons, but was more along the lines of general preemptive actions.
Putin and the Kremlin then twisted
Does it not give you pause when you hear yourself say weird shit like this? You think Vladimir Putin himself is involved in creating propaganda? The Kremlin is a tourist museum. Listen to yourself, you're just a parrot repeating gibberish that you don't understand.
The rest of your comment is just a poor effort to ignore the website I linked you to.
"Putin and the Kremlin then twisted"... jfc
You think Vladimir Putin himself is involved in creating propaganda?
When Putin gives a speech that spreads misinformation about what Zelensky says then yes, he's very much part of spreading propaganda and misinformation.
The Kremlin is a tourist museum.
You do realize I'm not speaking literally? I'm using the common metonymy for the Russian Government, just like The Pentagon for the US armed forces, The White House for the US presidency, #10 Downing Street for the UK Prime Minister, Beijing for China's government, and so on. But more literally, the Grand Kremlin Palace is the residence of the Russian president.
When Putin gives a speech that spreads misinformation about what Zelensky says then yes,
For the third time now, what Zelensky said was real. I provided you with evidence for this and you've ignored it, again.
You do realize I’m not speaking literally?
I realise you're mindlessly repeating cheesy propaganda tropes. All of these other places you listed actually contain functioning state decision making apparatus.
Zelensky threatened Russia with nukes. Now you know this for a fact.
What Zelensky said in Ukrainian about preemptive strikes was real. How an English speaker is hearing the translation is not.
I realise you’re mindlessly repeating cheesy propaganda tropes.
Do you actually know what you're talking about, or are you just insulting me on principle? There are various kremlins, most of which are museums but one of which is the working office of the president. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Kremlin_Palace
Zelensky threatened Russia with nukes. Now you know this for a fact.
Please, do tell how Zelensky threatened Russia with nukes during a speech that mentions a desire for NATO membership (which Ukraine has not been shy about) but never expresses a desire for nuclear weapons.
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