YES, WE WANT WAR. But just a small one, please, followed by a quick surrender. The United States is diligently working with Australia and the UK to goad China into what they hope will be a limited war over Taiwan, according to military strategists

Citation needed

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[–] yo_carny_bob_eye@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

LMAO so this is 100% a Chinese propaganda website. Have you looked at the articles there? Not saying it's true or not true. But first of all, this article is from 2021 and secondly I don't buy Chinese propaganda.

[–] Tosti@feddit.nl 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Purged by creator

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Sorry to hear you only consume US state approved propaganda.

[–] yata@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Get out of here with that strawman. None of the comments you replied to implied anything of the sort. It is very typical of your bad faith MO though.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

You should learn what a straw man is if you're going to use the term to try and sound clever.

[–] yo_carny_bob_eye@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (27 children)

Why on earth would you assume I consume US media, let alone what kind of US media I allegedly consume? Unlike you I actually was born and grew up in a dictatorship with actual state approved media. Your stupid comment is an insult to the victims of dictatorships everywhere.

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[–] sunbeam60@lemmy.one -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ahh the old whataboutisms come out.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Screeching whataboutism is a really round about way to tell us that you've got nothing meaningful to say.

[–] sunbeam60@lemmy.one -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Ok.

Let’s be real about this for a second.

You are implying that the media in the US is as state controlled and state supporting as the media in China and therefore that neither is more true than the other, merely a viewpoint. Is that actually what you’re saying?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I mean entire books have been written on the subject of how US oligarchs who own the government use the media to manipulate public opinion. Here are a couple you should read

And the fact that the state in US is firmly in the hands of the oligarchs is made pretty clear by a study analyzing many decades of US policy

What do our findings say about democracy in America? They certainly constitute troubling news for advocates of “populistic” democracy, who want governments to respond primarily or exclusively to the policy preferences of their citizens. In the United States, our findings indicate, the majority does not rule—at least not in the causal sense of actually determining policy outcomes. When a majority of citizens disagrees with economic elites or with organized interests, they generally lose. Moreover, because of the strong status quo bias built into the U.S. political system, even when fairly large majorities of Americans favor policy change, they generally do not get it.

The fact that you don't even recognize the propaganda you're being subjected to further underscores how effective it is.

[–] sunbeam60@lemmy.one -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children)

I don’t read very much US news. A bit of WP and occasionally CNN, but it’s certainly not where I get my news from. I don’t live in the US FWIW.

You still haven’t answered my question: Do you believe that the US press and the Chinese press is both lying to the same extent? Do you believe the US and Chinese press are in service of the state to the same extent?

I’m not disputing the press is influenced in the US. You keep speaking in absolutes though … I’m speaking about degrees. So let’s compare degrees, instead of saying “influenced” or “free” as some absolute binary measures.

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