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Sorry to hear you only consume US state approved propaganda.
Why on earth would you assume I consume US media, let alone what kind of US media I allegedly consume? Unlike you I actually was born and grew up in a dictatorship with actual state approved media. Your stupid comment is an insult to the victims of dictatorships everywhere.
I grew up in USSR, and a lot of numbskulls called it a dictatorship.
How were those free and fair elections in the USSR?
A lot better than in western shithole countries.
I'm speechless.
Maybe educate yourself on the subject then. A democracy is a government that works in the interest of the majority and is held accountable to the people of the country. A government like that would ensure that everybody had food, housing, healthcare, education, jobs, and retirement the way USSR did and the way none of western "democracies" seem to be able to.
This is such a disengenuous statement dripping with derision. Honestly trotting out this glib phrase is a clear declaration that you're not interested in a good faith discussion.
The vast majority of people in "shithole western countries" would say that this is true of their government. I'm not sure that's true for people living in the USSR.
We have all of those things. Sure they're not directly provided by the government, but the government develops legislation to ensure that the overwhelming majority of citizens have great access to those things. The idea of a food shortage in Australia is unheard of. Was that true of the USSR?
Don't pretend you were ever interested in having any sort of good faith discussion here.
Given the level of discontent in western societies right now, I don't believe you. Meanwhile, as opinion polls show majority of people who lived in USSR now say they prefer the old system after getting a taste of the capitalist paradise.
There are literal tent cities of homeless people growing in many G7 countries each and every year:
CIA says that people in USSR ate just as much as Americans after WW2 period while having better nutrition:
You are really delusional and a liar. I do not believe for one second you grew up in the USSR, not one nano second. If you were present during that that period you would have noticed that these proud USSR population did not walk but ran towards the west and all the things they really wanted. Not what USSR barely could provide (remember the lines before shops? No you don't, you were not there) but what the west could and would provide. You casually forgot that. Well, you could not forget little liar as you lied about being alive and present in that period.
I was and I call you out: liar!
You can't believe that I grew up in USSR and actually liked my life there because you're smooth brained victim of western propaganda. And when you're faced with people who actually lived in USSR and liked it, you're incapable of processing this information. Meanwhile, you can stop calling me a liar, cause I still even have my original USSR passport. Learn to deal with it troll.
You can keep calling me whatever you like, but anybody reading this thread can clearly see that you're just insane.
Nice photoshop lol.
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There are a few too many compression artefacts and the small/strange aspect ratio/resolution of something you would've used a phone to snap a picture of....
Post one with you holding or giving me the middle finger or something and I'll believe you. I'll even go snap one of my Ukrainian passport (I burnt my soviet one). I might have my Polish one somewhere though...
You're such a bad troll, it's hilarious. Maybe learn how jpeg compression works there before playing detective. 😂 Hilarious how you think I'm going to dox myself for you here. You believe whatever you like though, it's pretty clear that you live in your own alternate reality.
JPG compression is supposed to be uniform across the image. It's not in your images case. It's called ELA, and that's a big red flag.
How would posting your middle finger actually dox you?
Thanks for letting us know that you don't understand how jpeg compresison works. 😂 It's not uniform across the image, it compresses similar regions. And enjoy:
And here is the whataboutism. Instead of replying to the question you attempt to deflect by pointing fingers. Again, typical of your bad faith behaviour.
Very on the nose for you to use a logical fallacy as a form of argument. Comparing democracy in USSR to the available alternatives is precisely how you determine the quality of the democracy.
Always shocked to see how debilitating of a mental illness tankie brain is
Amazing counter point you got there.
Here is the projection. When faced with your own methods you are quick to point out the bad faith which you yourself have systematically applied in every single comment in this very thread.
No, I've made actual arguments in this thread. Maybe read them and try to comprehend what was said.
You should re read your own comment that I'm responding to. You weren't exactly making a point, lmfao. Truly mental illness bruv
Nah, I made my point quite clearly bruv.
Ah, well, then my thought-out counter point is that the elections in the eastern shithole countries were worse :)
A lot of people who actually live there seem to disagree with you, and say things got a lot worse for them once they got to experience enlightened western democracy. Obviously we should take your word for it though, since you've clearly shown yourself to be a knowledgeable intellectual in this thread.
Typical yog- posts a bunch of articles from a decade ago as if they are still relevant- fails to read the next page that completely discredits his argument and/or posts from an obviously biased source e. Lol. Dismiss and move along- nothing to see here... again.
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Get out of here with that strawman. None of the comments you replied to implied anything of the sort. It is very typical of your bad faith MO though.
You should learn what a straw man is if you're going to use the term to try and sound clever.
Ahh the old whataboutisms come out.
Screeching whataboutism is a really round about way to tell us that you've got nothing meaningful to say.
Ok.
Let’s be real about this for a second.
You are implying that the media in the US is as state controlled and state supporting as the media in China and therefore that neither is more true than the other, merely a viewpoint. Is that actually what you’re saying?
I mean entire books have been written on the subject of how US oligarchs who own the government use the media to manipulate public opinion. Here are a couple you should read
And the fact that the state in US is firmly in the hands of the oligarchs is made pretty clear by a study analyzing many decades of US policy
The fact that you don't even recognize the propaganda you're being subjected to further underscores how effective it is.
I don’t read very much US news. A bit of WP and occasionally CNN, but it’s certainly not where I get my news from. I don’t live in the US FWIW.
You still haven’t answered my question: Do you believe that the US press and the Chinese press is both lying to the same extent? Do you believe the US and Chinese press are in service of the state to the same extent?
I’m not disputing the press is influenced in the US. You keep speaking in absolutes though … I’m speaking about degrees. So let’s compare degrees, instead of saying “influenced” or “free” as some absolute binary measures.
If you live in the west then exact same dynamics apply. The media is owned by the oligarchs, and much of the media in all the western sphere is dominated by US.
And to answer your question it's clear to anybody who follows news that US press lies to a far greater extent. The whole notion that privately owned press in the hands of the oligarchs is somehow more objective than government owned press has no basis in logic or reality.
I'm also not speaking in any absolutes, I'm simply telling you that objectively speaking there is plenty of evidence that western press regularly engages in outright misinformation and lies. Chinese press has a bias, because any press has a bias, but I've yet to see it spread conspiracy theories like Russiagate. This is a perfect example of a huge misinformation campaign orchestrated by western media that has been thoroughly debunked, yet large portion of western public still believes it and regurgitates it today. That's just one example.
We must live in two different worlds. If your view is that the Chinese media is more objective than the US media, I simply don’t think we have a basis for finding any consensus. I no longer know what to say. Have a good day and wish you the best.
I get that it's hard for people in the west to see the brainwashing they're exposed to because you swim in it since the day you're born, it becomes the natural medium. However, for somebody who grew out outside the west this is very transparent. I grew up in USSR, and then my family eventually moved to the west after the collapse. I was absolutely shocked to see the nonsense people believed about USSR. People who never set foot in USSR would argue with me about my lived experience as if they knew better. This is the strength of western propaganda machine.
I'm pretty sure I've told you this before but not all of us that grew up in the USSR had the same experiences as you did. Mine were far less positive.
"Nationalistic bubbles" exist both ways.
You can find people who are unhappy in every human society, that's not the gotcha you seem to think it is. The question is whether a society is able to provide a decent life for the majority of the people. Given the horrors we are seeing after the collapse of USSR, I think the answer to which system is better is pretty clear.
My family were killed by the Communists (and the Nazis for that mater) for being Jewish so that's a big "nah bro I think I'll pass" from me.
Ah yes, because there have been no genocides under capitalism. Turns out Jewish people aren't above doing a little genocide of their own once they get in charge either as we see in Israel. So, maybe don't make an idiotic argument blaming communism for something that has absolutely fuck all to do with communism.
First of all big ole whataboutismw. On context we are discussing what Soviets did. We can have a separate conversation re: capitalism, which I'm sure we'd hugley align.
Second, I am very much anti Israel for exactly those reason, free Palestine ✊ but it's your second whataboutism...
Third, Soviet Russia literally killed gay people, Jews, etc. Hell they liberated Jews from camps only to send them to the gulag.
Stalin literally made homosexuality illegal.
First of all, whataboutism is just a way to create a double moral standard and anybody calling whataboutism exposes themselves as being intellectually bankrupt. The context is you claiming that communist system is responsible for the problems USSR had. That's obvious nonsense given that exact same problems and worse exist under capitalism. Last I checked a bunch of US states have sodomy laws today.
Second, Israel is an example capitalist shithole with a predominantly Jewish population, so can't blame the genocide there on communism and the soviets.
Third, the west has killed far more people of all kinds than Russia did. Yet, you ally with the west and see it as a friend. So, clearly you don't give a shit about people being killed, turns out that you're just a racist who hates Russians. You'll happily dig up an ancient document from Stalin while ignoring the fact that your trusted allies are doing the exact thing you're decrying happening in USSR. Way to show utter lack of intellectual integrity here.
You've also wandered very far from the original point here which was that the communist system objectively resulted in better conditions for majority of the people than the capitalist hell that followed it. You completely ignored that and went on completely vapid rant that has nothing to do with the point I was making.