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[–] grue@lemmy.world 173 points 2 weeks ago (34 children)

Democracy supporters have to win every single time, while the fascists only have to win once. This is not a sustainable situation. We have to do what is necessary in a way that's a lot more permanent than just winning an election.

[–] anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I think a big part of this is rural over representation. Not even talking the senate, but the house to be fair should allot 1 rep per the minimum pop of any state, which would give us about 573 reps and like 676 electors for president. Hell if we did it as the founders intended, one per like 60k people we'd have a house of 5.6k members.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 31 points 2 weeks ago

Unfortunately the huge land owners want unequal representation, and they have a lot of power.

[–] Xanis@lemmy.world 31 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That requires carrying this energy past the election cycle, regardless of the differences we may have on opinion, and coming together in agreement.

Historically, the Left has been rather poor at banding together. We're more likely to argue than get things done most of the time. So it'll be an uphill battle for leaders of smaller groups across the Nation. First though, we need to make it past this hurdle.

[–] model_tar_gz@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Voting for Democrats isn’t even voting for the Left anymore. More Rlite.

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[–] RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 23 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

The founders thought they inoculated us against tyranny in 1776.

[–] Big_Boss_77@lemmynsfw.com 30 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

They did, but you gotta get your booster shots every now and then.

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[–] frezik@midwest.social 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They also had slaves. A lot of slaves. Maybe we shouldn't accept their fight against tyranny at face value.

[–] 0x0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 weeks ago

Also, if they're so smart, then why are they dead?

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[–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 20 points 2 weeks ago

So anyways, I started ~~blastin~~ teaching my loved ones how to safely build guillotines.

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Indeed, the first step would be to dump the Electoral College.

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[–] Shard@lemmy.world 99 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Zementid@feddit.nl 43 points 2 weeks ago (13 children)

Yeah seems like that was it for the US. Have fun living in Gilead.

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[–] digdilem@lemmy.ml 83 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 25 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'd make a Biden old joke here but my heart just isn't in it.

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (7 children)

Hubris. Democrats lose because characters like RBG and President Biden simply could not fathom that stepping aside was ALWAYS what they should have done.

These miserable fucking dinosaurs have gambled away the good intentions, hopes, and stability of the entire nation because their internal mantra was that they are our political saviors, while everyone under 50 was full-throated screaming that they needed to step aside.

Fuck all you geriatric, foot on the gas, oblivious, incompetent fucks. If (big if) we ever regain our Democracy, the first thing on the agenda should be AGE CAPS for all public offices. Elderly fucking hubris has doomed us to more misery.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

Democrats lose because characters like RBG and President Biden simply could not fathom that stepping aside was ALWAYS what they should have done.

Lol, dude the guy that won the election is the oldest person to ever run for president in the history of the country, and a sitting Democratic president stepped aside due to public pressure for younger leadership, but yeah the concept of gerontocracy is what did them in. 🙄

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[–] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 73 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I do not trust Americans to "do their own research". I've seen how that has gone in the past. Too many Americans do their own research while scrolling Facebook from the toilet.

[–] Sabata11792@ani.social 43 points 2 weeks ago

“do their own research”

That's redneck for "I found someone that agrees with me on the Facebook".

[–] 13esq@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Research requires a critical mind. Think of a person you know that has average intelligence, 50% of people are more stupid than that.

And I'm not saying that stupidity is solely an issue for the republican electorate, I'm just saying "do your own research" is an unrealistic expectation.

People need to be engaged with.

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[–] zanyllama52@infosec.pub 70 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Welp, that's a wrap. We reelected Trump. I'm floored.

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Hello floored, I am to say it lightly "disappointed"

[–] HiddenLychee@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

As a trans person, it's a bit more than light for me

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[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 60 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Four years ago we gave it a stay of execution. Until we fully purge the fascist and focus government to actually serve the people, we are going to keep finding ourselves in chaos, until China beats us to and at everything.

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Yeah, a Trump victory scares me, but what scares me more is the more competent fascist that comes next. The Democrats can't keep waiting for the Republicans to, "come to their senses." The material conditions of the working class need to improve, or fascist populism will take in the absence of economic populism.

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[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

It's crazy how the global powers have handed China so much power as a result of their insatiable greed. China was hardly a concern 40 years ago, but 4 decades of manufacturing and stealing literally everyone's IP have given them resources they didn't have access to before.

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[–] demizerone@lemmy.world 43 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Democratic party is fucking useless. We will never be free unless we rid ourselves of legalized corruption.

[–] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Poor take. Truthfully, the people want hate. That's what trump ran on and promised.

This isn't about policy or likeability or whatever. This is what people want and they proved it. Stop blaming the Democrat party and blame what this country and its people are instead.

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (7 children)

Are you kidding? The DNC circumvented the entire primary process to give us ANOTHER "anointed one" and, again, possibly the worst candidate possible to create the coalition that has always been Democrats' bread-and-butter. They even had Hillary go down to FL to lecture voters, while Bill went to Michigan to preach to Muslim communities about why the war in Israel is right. It's a fucking lampoon of strategy.

Every single DNC "elite" should retire from politics, today. They're losers, and losers lose. Because they never learn from their mistakes, which is what is required to win.

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[–] VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world 41 points 2 weeks ago

I'm sorry we failed you Bernie.

[–] chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de 34 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Democracy ? In US? lol US is a Plutocracy

[–] kitnaht@lemmy.world 31 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)
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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 31 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Oligarchs have all the power now

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 14 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

I wonder how quickly will the US progress from Elon Musk prancing around on stage to Trump Jack Ma-ing him, or if Bloomberg will commit suicide by six shots to the back of the head.

The golden age of the US oligarchy has been this past period. Under fascism, the causal relationship between having power and money reverses.

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[–] archchan@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Now? I wasn't aware they ever didn't.

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

It's more like all pretense is gone now. Before, there was this veneer of legitimacy. Now, it's straight up fascism. It's a matter of image projection.

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[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 25 points 2 weeks ago

Voting is like breathing.

Every election is the most important one of yopur life.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago

Sorry we let you down, Bernie, there are just too many shitheads now.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I get why people say you "have to" vote against someone in a First Past The Post voting system. What I don't get is the inaction from the democratic party on changing the voting system between elections.

I wish the democrats had one tenth the urgency they claim to have. Democracy is one election away from falling... wouldn't you want multiple chances to defeat the republicans every election?

Democrats are so full of themselves, they won't accept that they might have to step out of the way to prevent the republicans from ruining this country. This fight is greater then the democratic party. They should start acting like it by pushing to get rid of FPTP voting in the states they control.

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

What I don't get is the inaction from the democratic party on changing the voting system between elections.

  1. The Democrats didn't secure a large enough majority in previous elections to overcome Republican resistance to changing things like FPTP voting or the electoral college.

  2. There is a lot of contention within the Democratic party (at the federal level at least) as it shifts further towards the right in an effort to remain in power. Getting rid of FPTP voting would make it harder for centrist/right leaning Democrats to remain in power.

Several states have switched to RCV for some of their elections, and progress has been slow, but it's being made. If you want to see more, elect people that prioritize implementing better voting systems.

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