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[–] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 73 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I do not trust Americans to "do their own research". I've seen how that has gone in the past. Too many Americans do their own research while scrolling Facebook from the toilet.

[–] Sabata11792@ani.social 43 points 1 day ago

“do their own research”

That's redneck for "I found someone that agrees with me on the Facebook".

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 171 points 1 day ago (42 children)

Democracy supporters have to win every single time, while the fascists only have to win once. This is not a sustainable situation. We have to do what is necessary in a way that's a lot more permanent than just winning an election.

[–] Xanis@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That requires carrying this energy past the election cycle, regardless of the differences we may have on opinion, and coming together in agreement.

Historically, the Left has been rather poor at banding together. We're more likely to argue than get things done most of the time. So it'll be an uphill battle for leaders of smaller groups across the Nation. First though, we need to make it past this hurdle.

[–] model_tar_gz@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Voting for Democrats isn’t even voting for the Left anymore. More Rlite.

[–] omarfw@lemmy.world 6 points 22 hours ago

It hasn't been a left wing vote for a long time, if ever.

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[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Indeed, the first step would be to dump the Electoral College.

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[–] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's only going to happen if the side in favor of democracy is given a decisive victory. Squeaking out another win isn't going to be enough.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 3 points 19 hours ago

Did Harris have any pro-democracy stuff in her platform, like ending FPTP or the Electoral College? Trump campaigned on bad election reforms like ID requirements and same-day voting.

[–] anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think a big part of this is rural over representation. Not even talking the senate, but the house to be fair should allot 1 rep per the minimum pop of any state, which would give us about 573 reps and like 676 electors for president. Hell if we did it as the founders intended, one per like 60k people we'd have a house of 5.6k members.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago

Unfortunately the huge land owners want unequal representation, and they have a lot of power.

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[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 60 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

Four years ago we gave it a stay of execution. Until we fully purge the fascist and focus government to actually serve the people, we are going to keep finding ourselves in chaos, until China beats us to and at everything.

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yeah, a Trump victory scares me, but what scares me more is the more competent fascist that comes next. The Democrats can't keep waiting for the Republicans to, "come to their senses." The material conditions of the working class need to improve, or fascist populism will take in the absence of economic populism.

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[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I get why people say you "have to" vote against someone in a First Past The Post voting system. What I don't get is the inaction from the democratic party on changing the voting system between elections.

I wish the democrats had one tenth the urgency they claim to have. Democracy is one election away from falling... wouldn't you want multiple chances to defeat the republicans every election?

Democrats are so full of themselves, they won't accept that they might have to step out of the way to prevent the republicans from ruining this country. This fight is greater then the democratic party. They should start acting like it by pushing to get rid of FPTP voting in the states they control.

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What I don't get is the inaction from the democratic party on changing the voting system between elections.

  1. The Democrats didn't secure a large enough majority in previous elections to overcome Republican resistance to changing things like FPTP voting or the electoral college.

  2. There is a lot of contention within the Democratic party (at the federal level at least) as it shifts further towards the right in an effort to remain in power. Getting rid of FPTP voting would make it harder for centrist/right leaning Democrats to remain in power.

Several states have switched to RCV for some of their elections, and progress has been slow, but it's being made. If you want to see more, elect people that prioritize implementing better voting systems.

[–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 5 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

right leaning Democrats

all Democrat party members are right leaning

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

Bernie is ~~a~~ left-leaning ~~Democrat~~ and opposes FPTP. I'm glad he got re-elected!

Edit: I am wrong

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[–] chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de 35 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Democracy ? In US? lol US is a Plutocracy

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