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[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 24 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I don't know how I feel about this.

Which is worse, the government telling people that they can't wear certain clothes (and let's be real, at least some of the proponents of implementing this are doing it in an Islamophobic way), or allowing a practice that's clearly intended to cover women up and treat them as second class citizens within their Islamic culture?

Which is right? Which is wrong? I feel so conflicted about this.

I don't want the state dictating dress code, that's absolutely ludicrous, but I also don't want an oppressive sexist religion dictating that women need to cover up otherwise (ghasp!) a man might see their skin.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 5 days ago (2 children)

i'd say that the better way to let women dress freely is working to get rid of the pressures on them in the first place, rather than forcing them to not dress a certain way in an attempt to give them choice in what to wear.

Yeah it's a lot harder than simply banning face coverings, but that's because it actually solves the problem rather than swiping it under the rug..

[–] lud@lemm.ee 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

That would be great, but how exactly? Banning religions that encourage/forces it?

The only reason I could see is to highly educate everyone but that's way easier said than done.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

Yeah but... how?

[–] LANIK2000@lemmy.world 29 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Is there also a face mask exception? They aren't handy for just pandemics.

[–] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 22 points 5 days ago

Yes there is

[–] CaptainBasculin@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 days ago

As a muslim, the book mentions covering up hair only. Face covering is never mentioned anywhere, and people using it are misinterpreting Quran.

[–] geissi@feddit.org 22 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It is also permitted for artistic and entertainment performances and for advertising purposes.

Ah they learned from the Austrians

[–] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 30 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (8 children)

Scarfs, costume masks and medical face masks are allowed in Austria too, but only under special circumstances, e.g. costumes are permitted only for "customs events" (Brauchtumsveranstaltungen) and thus are forbidden for everyday use. Verschleierungsverbot Γ–sterreich
However, you can get fined for wearing a scarf if the police officer perceives it to be not cold enough. https://www.sueddeutsche.de/panorama/oesterreich-burkaverbot-trifft-maskottchen-und-radfahrer-1.3700378

[–] schlecknits@feddit.org 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Medical reasons to my knowledge is defined rather limited. There's an exception but in doubt you have to show a doctor's note saying that you need to wear a mask, otherwise you could be forced to unmask. So if you choose to do preventative masking but aren't ill yourself this isn't technically allowed - this isn't widely enforced, but still something that wasn't thought quite through.

[–] philpo@feddit.org 4 points 4 days ago

Oh,it was thought through very much by some... Some parts of the SVP are very happy about it...

[–] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

What if your identity as a furry? Obviously it covers your face, but it’s sort is like a costume. There are also furry conventions, so maybe that’s the sort of event/festival that would count as an exception.

It's about covering your face in public, i.e. on the festival venue it would be O.K., in public transport possibly not.

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[–] Lux@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Non-European here. What's the purpose of bans like these? The obvious cause appears to be racism/Islamophobia, but is there something else?

[–] Miaou@jlai.lu 7 points 4 days ago

You call it islamophobia, some call it an effort to curb radicalisation

[–] federalreverse@feddit.org 1 points 3 days ago

Making video surveillance more effective is one.

[–] toothbrush@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You got it. Sometimes politicians say its for "security" so when someone is at a protest they can just arrest them just for wearing a mask.

that was covered by already existing laws afaik

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Yep, islamophobia. Our far right party passed it. They also passed a law banning minarets.

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca -1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

But what about Covid masks? What if another pandemic happen?

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

That's called an "exception". Look it up.

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca -2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm not exceptional enough to look it up, but I take exception to you telling me to look it up without so much as a "please". I hope this kind of behaviour is just an exception, and not the exception that proves the rule.

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm just making a stupid comment because of your stupid comment. No need to make it personal.

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca -1 points 4 days ago

What? I thought we were having pleasant banter

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