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It was super (mario) controversial at the time, he put his career on the line and evangelical groups wanted his head, but he ended up being on the right side of history.

He showed that giant turtle dragon dinosaurs of any orientation can make it to the top, and be flung face-first into a spiky floating sky mine.

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[–] MaxOS@hexbear.net 31 points 3 days ago
[–] doublepepperoni@hexbear.net 26 points 3 days ago

What about when Nintendo affirmed every gamer's gay identity in the 2000s

[–] HiImThomasPynchon@hexbear.net 16 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Is it really affirmation if he says it as he throws Bowser to his death?

Really makes it seem like Mario is a proponent of "Bury your gays"

[–] Guamer@hexbear.net 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's all kayfabe and stuntmen, as seen in Mario Kart and Mario Party, so dw

[–] HiImThomasPynchon@hexbear.net 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Okay but we as the audience are still supposed to suspend our disbelief and interpret it as Mario (the character) killing Bowser (the character)

Also, if it's all kayfabe and stuntmen, how do we know that Bowser isn't straight in real life and gay in kayfabe?

[–] doublepepperoni@hexbear.net 14 points 3 days ago

how do we know that Bowser isn't straight in real life and gay in kayfabe?

So long, gay poser

[–] Guamer@hexbear.net 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Or if Mario is straight in kayfabe and gay irl?

The mystery deepens...

[–] HiImThomasPynchon@hexbear.net 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Mario is ace^1^. Luigi is straight^2^. Wario is gay^3^ and Waluigi is both transmasc and pansexual^4^.

it-is-known

[–] vovchik_ilich@hexbear.net 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Mario acknowledges that gays aren't token good people all with similar qualities, but complex humans with their backstories, their personalities, their drives and their motives. As the king of Koopa Kingdom, Bowser was indoctrinated into a radically homophobic brand of religion and is closeted, which leads him desperately to harass Peach to the point of kidnapping her despite her refusals, in order to satisfy his desire of "fitting in" with what Bowser considers is "morally right" and "pure".

Mario sees his suffering and understands that the only way to put an end to his misery and to save Peach and the oppressed Koopas is to murder him once and for all, despite his moral objections to murder and to harm of queer people, but justifies it in the same way that the IRA justified the attempts on Thatcher despite her being a woman.

In his last moments alive, Bowser hears Mario crying and screaming in pain, saying a last goodbye to Bowser's tragic life: "so long, gay Bowser". Bowser comes to accept his true self in the last seconds of life and accepts death, finally aware of himself and all the damage he's done. It's too late for himself, and dies at peace, knowing that the world will be a better place after he's gone.

It's a deep and sad story

[–] Guamer@hexbear.net 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] vovchik_ilich@hexbear.net 2 points 2 days ago

Thank you, quite the effort post ngl

[–] HiImThomasPynchon@hexbear.net 6 points 3 days ago

It's a deep and sad story

And also heavily revisionist! None of this is evident from the Miyamoto texts! pronounjak-rage

[–] mechwarrior2@hexbear.net 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Before fromSSoft turned "soulslikes" (actually mariolikes) fascist

[–] dannoffs@hexbear.net 13 points 3 days ago

Mario may have laid the ground work but the genre didn't really solidify until the release of Castlevania 64 added 3 crucial elements:

  • Not knowing where to go because every environment in the game looks the same
  • Bullshit fights where you just spam the same attack and dodge
  • Spooky

Because of this I prefer to call the genre mariovanias

[–] Nopeace@hexbear.net 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So like... What was he supposed to be saying here actually, though? I always wondered.

[–] Guamer@hexbear.net 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think it's supposed to be "So long-eh Bowser", like the "long" is supposed to sound Italian.

[–] Nopeace@hexbear.net 3 points 2 days ago

Ohhhhh, yeah I can see that. Makes way more sense than "gay Bowser"